Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[boutons_deux]

the ugly faddish expression:

"We don't need you to do that",

rather than

"(Please) don't do that"

[elbamba]

Maybe this is just personal opinion, but that 911 call where Zimmerman continued to pursue Martin after being told not to is all the "facts" I need to see Zimmerman get sabotaged in the press for killing Martin.

You are mistaken and you are making the same critical mistake that most people are making. He was not instructed "NOT" to follow. The dispatcher said "We do not need you to follow".

Then, pay close attention to what Zimmerman says after the dispatcher says that we not not need you to follow, his response is "OK". He then tells the dispatcher his name and that Martin ran. He then tells the dispatcher that he will meet the officers.

From the transcript, it sounds like he had stopped pursuing Martin and was returing to his car.

I understand the outrage over this case. But as an attorney, I feel like you have to take the emotion out of the ultimate outcome, and look at Zimmerman's actions, applied to Flordia law.

I am not saying he is innocent, I do not have access to all the facts. But what I do have access too, if I were his defense attorney, I could make a pretty damn solid case that this was self defense.

[CosmicCowboy]

He said "You don't have to do that." You're arguing semantics. It was obvious the dispatcher was suggesting he stop follow Martin.

Comprehension in the English language IS a matter of semantics.

[cantthinkofanything]

Republicans sympathizing with Zimmerman

neighborhood watch hero
great in American hero
he might have been following Martin but it was self defense

whoever said you were stupid was right.

[elbamba]

Fair points by both of you, but that's not the world we live in. We want as much information as possible, the media wants to give us what we're demanding.

I think the media plays to our emotion. When this case first caught my eye, I was outraged. Then I started listening to to the testimony of two alleged eye witnesses on Anderson Cooper and I began to think that they were full of crap. I know believe that he was acting in self-defense, based on what I have read online from the local police investigation. I could be wrong, and if new facts come out about that night, I will be happy to look and change my mind. But I will not be sucker of biased reporting nor will I judge based on emotion.

[CosmicCowboy]

Sure I do. You denounced the attempt to try Zimmerman in the press, while defending the unprincipled disclosure of Martin's school records as equal treatment.

bull . I did no such thing. I think trashing either one in the press sucks but as CG said, that just the world we live in. If the press is gonna trash Zimmerman then Martin shouldn't get a free pass either just because he got shot after he beat the other guy up.

[elbamba]

He said "You don't have to do that." You're arguing semantics. It was obvious the dispatcher was suggesting he stop follow Martin.

And it also sounds pretty obvious from the transcript that Zimmerman complied with the officer's suggestion.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Sure I do. You denounced the attempt to try Zimmerman in the press, while defending the unprincipled disclosure of Martin's school records as equal treatment.

So records don't mean anything now? Do ented records.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

whoever said you were stupid was right.

That was me. And I'll do it again

[Winehole23]

privacy of the victim should count for nothing? we are talking about a minor here.

[CosmicCowboy]

And it also sounds pretty obvious from the transcript that Zimmerman complied with the officer's suggestion.

I listened to it in person and it wasn't really obvious that Zimmerman stopped following Martin. It WAS obvious that the dispatcher DID NOT tell him explicitly to quit following Martin.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I think the media plays to our emotion. When this case first caught my eye, I was outraged. Then I started listening to to the testimony of two alleged eye witnesses on Anderson Cooper and I began to think that they were full of crap. I know believe that he was acting in self-defense, based on what I have read online from the local police investigation. I could be wrong, and if new facts come out about that night, I will be happy to look and change my mind. But I will not be sucker of biased reporting nor will I judge based on emotion.

I'm in the same boat as you.

[Goran Dragic]

From the transcript, it sounds like he had stopped pursuing Martin and was returing to his car.

What part of the transcript sounds like that. The part where he says "These assholes, they always get away" or the part where he says " in coons"

[Winehole23]

I listened to it in person and it wasn't really obvious that Zimmerman stopped following Martin. It WAS obvious that the dispatcher DID NOT tell him explicitly to quit following Martin.

So Zimmerman went against advice of LE, and got in way over his head

[Goran Dragic]

And it also sounds pretty obvious from the transcript that Zimmerman complied with the officer's suggestion.

no it isn't

[CosmicCowboy]

privacy of the victim should count for nothing? we are talking about a minor here.

Barely, in Florida (18)

In Texas (17) he wouldn't be a juvenile.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

privacy of the victim should count for nothing? we are talking about a minor here.

So. You don't think character should be proven through do ented records? The court and media should just go off what his friends and family say about him?

The wife of that dude that lit up those women and children said he'd never harm children. Should we let him go?

[ChumpDumper]

So Zimmerman went against advice of LE, and got in way over his head

He went against the rules of his own stupid organization.

This kid is ing dead and the guy who did it is somehow untouchable because he gave the cops his word? No one sees anything wrong with this?

[CosmicCowboy]

So Zimmerman went against advice of LE, and got in way over his head

It looks to me (based on the FACTS I have read and heard) like a horrible misunderstanding by both parties that escalated into the beating of one subject and the tragic death of the other. Apparently the prosecutor and police agree with me.

[Fpoonsie]

...or the part where he says " in coons"

He didn't.

[Winehole23]

So. You don't think character should be proven through do ented records?

the character of unarmed gunshot victims has to be proven now?

tough crowd...

[Sportcamper]

What bothers me is that Zimmerman is not a REAL police officer & he had no business confronting a civilian on public streets…

REAL police offers undergo background checks, drug testing and psychological evaluation…Over half of police applicants can not make it past a background check…Then REAL police officers spend six months in a police academy receiving 700 to 1000 hours of physical and classroom training to learn take down holds, compliance holds, firearm training, the penal code and most importantly community relations…Few applicants make it through the academy…Then the ones who do graduate then spend a year working with a supervisor who teaches them appropriate police conduct…Sheriffs often spend two years working the county jail system before they are ever allowed to be on the streets…

The dispatcher told Zimmerman, “We don’t need you to follow him”…This clown did not even have the good sense to follow instructions from a dispatcher…

[Fpoonsie]

the character of unarmed gunshot victims has to be proven now?

tough crowd...

Obviously, otherwise, why use such a white-washed photo of the alleged victim from years ago?

[CosmicCowboy]

the character of unarmed gunshot victims has to be proven now?

tough crowd...

So when a Gulf cartel member shoots an unarmed Zeta the Zeta should just be reported as an innocent victim?

What's your threshold of disclosure?

And it's an exaggerated analogy, not a straw man. I'm not accusing you of defending the gulf cartel.

[Winehole23]

It looks to me (based on the FACTS I have read and heard) like a horrible misunderstanding by both parties that escalated into the beating of one subject and the tragic death of the other. Apparently the prosecutor and police agree with me.

It's always nice to see the DA and the police presenting their case to the media before official investigations have concluded...if one happens to agree with their hasty conclusions.