Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[Wild Cobra]

*If* Zimmerman's story is correct then he would have a point except he was the one doing the pursuing. I'm sorry but I still think he's responsible for the whole situation.

Just because he doesn't have a badge means he cannot follow someone?

If the plain clothes police officer follow someone they think is su ious, they get attacked, shoot back and kill.... is it the fault of the police?

Why does the badge make a difference? Is a badge a right to kill?

Since there's no question that he was involved with the shooting, they might as well sue Zimmerman as well as the HOA and anyone else who was found not doing their jobs. That's basically what civil lawsuits look like anyway. Name a whole bunch of people and see what sticks.

Who didn't do their job? I don't see it that way. Please explain. What did I miss?

[Wild Cobra]

I still think this dude racially profiled this kid, told him "What the are you doing here?", kid felt the need to use self defense from a guy who was chasing him in the night, Trayvon got the best of him and screamed "HELP HELP" then was shot dead. Straight up murder. Then the coward says, "Self defense, look at me! I'm bleeding".

Well, I think it would be real difficult to convince anyone unbiased he racially profiled the kid. There is already evidence available that he made several calls about su ious things in the three communities he lived in since 2004. He went after the kid because there have been multiple burglaries in the area, and he wanted to stop them. The burglary evidence is available online too.

Daddy Zimmerman is a big fat ing liar and the mere fact that he already lied a few times goes to show that he KNOWS what he needed to do to get around the law to get his son off. Like the way he did the other charges.

Maybe, but so is the media about what they knew about. The facts don't change with what Papa Smurf says.

all of you pro-zimmerman mutha as. you all. And that "Kill A Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_" law too. That's what it is. Stalk a black guy, provoke him, and shoot him dead when he's giving you a good ol fashion ass whuppin'. Finally found that loophole!

It's not a "kill a niggеr" law. The police would be obligated to offer the same respect to a black man killing a white under similar cir stances.

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[djohn2oo8]

Well, I think it would be real difficult to convince anyone unbiased he racially profiled the kid. There is already evidence available that he made several calls about su ious things in the three communities he lived in since 2004. He went after the kid because there have been multiple burglaries in the area, and he wanted to stop them. The burglary evidence is available online too.

Maybe, but so is the media about what they knew about. The facts don't change with what Papa Smurf says.

It's not a "kill a niggеr" law. The police would be obligated to offer the same respect to a black man killing a white under similar cir stances.

He's not a cop, and even if a burglary was going on that wasn't happening on his property, he had no authority to stop it except to call the cops. See. Joe Horn.

[CosmicCowboy]

Excellent reporting from Reuters today...



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8F31ZX20120403

This loosely collaborates what Trayvon's girlfriend said she heard on the phone...Trayvon felt he was being followed by Zimmerman...under Florida law, he had a right to feel threatened and to defend himself....

and that's why you would be a ty attorney...

[CavsSuperFan]

Your post was awesome Creepn…60 plus pages in this thread & you are the only one to just come out & state what most of us are feeling…

[Trill Clinton]

I still think this dude racially profiled this kid, told him "What the are you doing here?", kid felt the need to use self defense from a guy who was chasing him in the night, Trayvon got the best of him and screamed "HELP HELP" then was shot dead. Straight up murder. Then the coward says, "Self defense, look at me! I'm bleeding".

Daddy Zimmerman is a big fat ing liar and the mere fact that he already lied a few times goes to show that he KNOWS what he needed to do to get around the law to get his son off. Like the way he did the other charges.

all of you pro-zimmerman mutha as. you all. And that "Kill A Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_" law too. That's what it is. Stalk a black guy, provoke him, and shoot him dead when he's giving you a good ol fashion ass whuppin'. Finally found that loophole!

[DisAsTerBot]

RACIAL DIVIDE BIGGER. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

-mass media

[Bill_Brasky]

I've thought about it some more and this story doesn't just piss me off because this dude killed an unarmed kid.

As a person who owns guns and enjoys using them responsibly and safely I absolutely despise an idiot like this. All this story does is paint guns in a bad light nationwide just because one idiot thought he was Rambo. All of us who know wtf we're doing and mind our own ing business will be the ones who suffer the most whem they try to use this as ammo for more gun laws.

[703 Spurz]

All this story does is paint guns in a bad light nationwide just because one idiot thought he was Rambo.

One idiot? What about the simultaneous story of the school killings in California? That guy was teased by his other college-aged classmates and he went postal on them.

There are numerous examples of people being nuts that can have access to guns. Getting access to guns and being bat isn't helping anyone out.

[Wild Cobra]

Lol

No . They do it all the time, and they finally care?

[Wild Cobra]

He's not a cop, and even if a burglary was going on that wasn't happening on his property, he had no authority to stop it except to call the cops. See. Joe Horn.

Wasn't he cleared?

[ElNono]

He's not a cop, and even if a burglary was going on that wasn't happening on his property, he had no authority to stop it except to call the cops. See. Joe Horn.

Actually Joe Horn shot the two guys while they were in his front yard, which automatically triggers being in his property. He was acquitted under Texas laws though, so it might not be similar here seeing it's a different state.

[ElNono]

Wasn't he cleared?

He wasn't even tried. The grand jury simply returned a no-bill on the indictment...

[Wild Cobra]

He wasn't even tried. The grand jury simply returned a no-bill on the indictment...

My money is on the bet that this will happen for Zimmerman too.

[Trill Clinton]

I get where you're coming from.

Tim Wise gave his thoughts on this whole situation

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...ss-in-america/

http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...of-dred-scott/

From what I'm observing he's onto something where the mentalities of some people are concerned.

My emotions are getting drained with this case though. Even if Zimmerman somehow got the death penalty, it wouldn't bring their son back.

Interesting links. I agree with Wise and I'm with you on not engaging in debates when it comes to Trayvon's death. Non blacks act like its no big deal but they've never walked in a black persons shoes.

[TheSkeptic]

Just because he doesn't have a badge means he cannot follow someone?

If the plain clothes police officer follow someone they think is su ious, they get attacked, shoot back and kill.... is it the fault of the police?

Why does the badge make a difference? Is a badge a right to kill?

It's not about the badge being a right to kill. It's about the years of training, experience, and professionalism that comes with it.

We trust that the cops will make the right call because they have the qualifications. Even then, there's procedures in place to make sure the police aren't randomly killing civilians.

If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to say.

Who didn't do their job? I don't see it that way. Please explain. What did I miss?

The whole case apparently.

I've thought about it some more and this story doesn't just piss me off because this dude killed an unarmed kid.

As a person who owns guns and enjoys using them responsibly and safely I absolutely despise an idiot like this. All this story does is paint guns in a bad light nationwide just because one idiot thought he was Rambo. All of us who know wtf we're doing and mind our own ing business will be the ones who suffer the most whem they try to use this as ammo for more gun laws.

I understand what you're saying and I get the fact that this frustrates you.

Just out of curiosity though, how come you don't think there needs to be more gun laws?

Interesting links. I agree with Wise and I'm with you on not engaging in debates when it comes to Trayvon's death. Non blacks act like its no big deal but they've never walked in a black persons shoes.

I don't know that it's about the fact that they're not black to be honest.

I've seen this at ude get extended to include Muslims and people from the Middle East, Asia, Africa, etc. so many times that I'm just not convinced that these individuals are discriminating exclusively on the basis of skin colour.

I think it's an inability to empathize with people period.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's not about the badge being a right to kill. It's about the years of training, experience, and professionalism that comes with it.

We trust that the cops will make the right call because they have the qualifications. Even then, there's procedures in place to make sure the police aren't randomly killing civilians.

If you can't see the difference, then I don't know what to say.




The whole case apparently.





I understand what you're saying and I get the fact that this frustrates you.

Just out of curiosity though, how come you don't think there needs to be more gun laws?




I don't know that it's about the fact that they're not black to be honest.

I've seen this at ude get extended to include Muslims and people from the Middle East, Asia, Africa, etc. so many times that I'm just not convinced that these individuals are discriminating exclusively on the basis of skin colour.

I think it's an inability to empathize with people period.

It's also about the inability of people to grasp the fact that this was apparently a tragic misunderstanding between two dumb s. Take your red or blue glasses off for a minute.

[boutons_deux]

"apparently a tragic misunderstanding between two dumb s"

bull ing

it was an unstable wannabe cop packing heat going vigilante/stalker on his hated "young black male". YBM got murdered for Standing His Ground.

[Stringer_Bell]

Interesting links. I agree with Wise and I'm with you on not engaging in debates when it comes to Trayvon's death. Non blacks act like its no big deal but they've never walked in a black persons shoes.

Exactly, you know what's up. Non-blacks don't kill other non-blacks at nearly the rate that we kill each other...so of course they don't know what it's like to be black and fear other blacks and whites and browns and yellows. Everyone else worries about getting shot 75% of the time, we worry 100% cuz our own kin wanna take from us too.

It's awful how the media has tried to fan the flames of racial divide, making a straight up merc-job into a circus to push an agenda decided by some assholes we will never see on TV or read about in the papers. But the sheep don't understand the law, the mechanisms that change laws, and are satisfied with twisting this into a hate crime when it's clearly an opportunity to do something about a Florida law that is stupid - and by virtue of being stupid, has the possibility of being adopted elsewhere or twisted even more.

But it's cool, all ya'll wanting Zimmerman's blood aren't concerned with the big picture (fixing a law that COULD hurt a lot of people in the future)...our kin just want a "white boy" to pay for killing a black boy cuz we too scared to call each other out for when we do it to each other every day.

[TheSkeptic]

"apparently a tragic misunderstanding between two dumb s"

bull ing

it was an unstable wannabe cop packing heat going vigilante/stalker on his hated "young black male". YBM got murdered for Standing His Ground.

I can believe that it was a misunderstanding on Zimmerman's part as well. I don't believe he tried to stop Trayvon with the intention of killing him. That said, he is completely responsible for what happened.

I hope he gets a fair trial and I hope he gets sued.

[TheSkeptic]

Exactly, you know what's up. Non-blacks don't kill other non-blacks at nearly the rate that we kill each other...so of course they don't know what it's like to be black and fear other blacks and whites and browns and yellows. Everyone else worries about getting shot 75% of the time, we worry 100% cuz our own kin wanna take from us too.

It's awful how the media has tried to fan the flames of racial divide, making a straight up merc-job into a circus to push an agenda decided by some assholes we will never see on TV or read about in the papers. But the sheep don't understand the law, the mechanisms that change laws, and are satisfied with twisting this into a hate crime when it's clearly an opportunity to do something about a Florida law that is stupid - and by virtue of being stupid, has the possibility of being adopted elsewhere or twisted even more.

But it's cool, all ya'll wanting Zimmerman's blood aren't concerned with the big picture (fixing a law that COULD hurt a lot of people in the future)...our kin just want a "white boy" to pay for killing a black boy cuz we too scared to call each other out for when we do it to each other every day.

What on earth?

I'm completely against all the black on black violence as well and I advocate measures to put an end to that too. Human life is sacrosanct to me.

And it's not about getting the "white boy" to pay. It's about getting justice.

And also, about getting that Florida law reviewed. That being said, I'm not really convinced that Zimmerman would fall under SYG laws...

[spursncowboys]

Exactly, you know what's up. Non-blacks don't kill other non-blacks at nearly the rate that we kill each other...so of course they don't know what it's like to be black and fear other blacks and whites and browns and yellows. Everyone else worries about getting shot 75% of the time, we worry 100% cuz our own kin wanna take from us too.

It's awful how the media has tried to fan the flames of racial divide, making a straight up merc-job into a circus to push an agenda decided by some assholes we will never see on TV or read about in the papers. But the sheep don't understand the law, the mechanisms that change laws, and are satisfied with twisting this into a hate crime when it's clearly an opportunity to do something about a Florida law that is stupid - and by virtue of being stupid, has the possibility of being adopted elsewhere or twisted even more.

But it's cool, all ya'll wanting Zimmerman's blood aren't concerned with the big picture (fixing a law that COULD hurt a lot of people in the future)...our kin just want a "white boy" to pay for killing a black boy cuz we too scared to call each other out for when we do it to each other every day.

You're a terrible troll. Stringer Bell would never had said that. He would have been pissed that more violence on the corners. Actually it's gated so he would have been invested in that. and probably the one who would hire Zimmerman and tell him to keep black people out.

[Crookshanks]

I've read a lot of this thread, but I haven't read all 64 pages - so if this has already been mentioned, I apologize.

If Trayvon had been a well-mannered, polite young man, he could've answered George Zimmerman's questions in a non-confrontational manner. He could've said his father's girlfriend lived in the neighborhood and he was there visiting. Then he could've said that he'd gone out to get some snacks for his brother and was on his way back. He then could've told Zimmerman where she lived. Heck, since it was raining, Zimmerman might have even offered him a ride back to the house.

Instead, Trayvon acted like the thug he wanted to be - and got himself dead!

[Goran Dragic]

once I saw Crookshanks comment on this thread, I knew I'd see some real stupidity

You still voting for Santorum, c.unt?