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Why? (rhetorical question)
So you arguing and you don't even know who is in the HOF?
Why? (rhetorical question)
What do you mean, why? They just didn't do it. They inducted international players that played way before 1992 later on...
Really? You're going with the lefty defense.So you arguing and you don't even know who is in the HOF?
not understanding rhetorical questions
Oh...so the "one every 2 years" stat is actually inflated?
Moral of the story, brah: International ball blows
The only thing Sabonis had in the NBA is "NBA All-Rookie First Team"...Really? You're going with the lefty defense.
Which is my point. International players that make it in the HoF have won quite a bit at the international level.
Tony's resume in the NBA is nice, but that's all he got going right now... he has nothing at the international level.
9 int'l players inducted since 1992
2011 - 1992 = 19 years
No inductees in 2007 = 19 - 1 = 18 years
18 years / 9 players = 1 int'l player every 2 years
So in other words, it's inflated?9 int'l players inducted since 1992
2011 - 1992 = 19 years
No inductees in 2007 = 19 - 1 = 18 years
18 years / 9 players = 1 int'l player every 2 years
What's inflated?
What part of that you don't understand?
It means that your "one every 2 years" statistic is funny (and misleading) when defending international ball. At least 2 of those players were posthumously voted in (as I alluded too), a handful of them played eons ago, and a couple of them are even womenWhat's inflated?
What part of that you don't understand?
Of all the international players there have been, there's maybe 3-4 that have played somewhat recently that are in the HOF. (and even that number might be too generous
Like I said, international ball sucks big floppy donkey .
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yes he will IMHO
there are worst players in the HOF than parker
ESPN had a discussion on whether key international players in the NBA are HOF-worthy -
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...=5-on-5-110712
Here's Tony Parker's section -
4. Is Tony Parker a Hall of Famer?
David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Yes. It's not just the rings, either. For years, Parker has literally been one of the top paint scorers in the league. Try these numbers on for size: In the past five seasons, Parker has never made less than 62.7 percent of his rim shots, while current MVP Derrick Rose made 60 percent of his last season, his best showing ever. When a team's point guard can get to the rim and finish like Parker can, everything else on offense flows so much more easily. Inch for inch and pound for pound, Parker had a stretch as probably the most potent offensive weapon in the NBA.
Jay Aych, The Painted Area: Obviously his NBA career has a lot in common with Ginobili's, so I'll say yes. Parker is maybe the best international point guard ever after Steve Nash. He also was a key figure on three NBA le teams and was Finals MVP in 2007. However, he does not have quite the résumé that Manu and Pau have in FIBA play.
Rob Mahoney, The Two Man Game: Maybe. Parker's career, more than that of any other player included in this space, depends on the years to come. Like Ginobili, Parker is a three-time champion. He also has a trio of All-Star appearances to his name and a handful of highly productive seasons. But Parker has yet to reach the heights that Ginobili once claimed and hasn't had the same level of international success. Parker may be a Hall of Famer yet, but he's not quite there.
Jonathan Santiago, Cowbell Kingdom: I'm iffy about Parker because unlike Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili, he's never really won as the focal point of a team. Duncan has always been the centerpiece of all the Spurs' championship teams, and Ginobili, as I said earlier, led Argentina to a gold-medal victory in the Olympics. With that said, he's probably a Hall of Famer simply by being the most decorated basketball player to emerge from France.
Jared Wade, 8 Points In 9 Seconds: Nope. He is a huge step below both Manu and Pau in talent and can't come close to matching their decorated international careers. I'm not even sure there is a legitimate case to be made for Parker, unless perhaps you think Chauncey Billups or Horace Grant is a Hall of Famer.
So, yes/yes/maybe/iffy/no for Tony Parker as of July 2011. That's about what I'd expect for him.
Again, as long as he has a couple more seasons of fringe MVP candidate-level point guard play, I think he'll cross that divide of "iffy" to "yes, but not first ballot."
A ring as a 1st option would solidify it for him, but it's not necessary.
Basketball-reference has a hall of fame probability calculator that's fairly accurate. To expand upon Jared Wade's point,
Horace Grant HOF probability = 8%
Chauncey Billups HOF probability = 24%
Tony Parker HOF probability = 71% (13th of all active players in the league right now) -
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ob_active.html
moving goalpostsIt means that your "one every 2 years" statistic is funny (and misleading) when defending international ball. At least 2 of those players were posthumously voted in (as I alluded too), a handful of them played eons ago, and a couple of them are even women
Of all the international players there have been, there's maybe 3-4 that have played somewhat recently that are in the HOF. (and even that number might be too generous
Like I said, international ball sucks big floppy donkey .
Quote where I'm defending international ball?
I said:
What part of that you don't understand? Dude has a nice NBA resume, but his international play isn't going to help him get to the HoF...
that now
lol how many people answered yes
I would have said no, but if Jamaal Wilkes can get in, then yes, easily.
Whether or not Toni Kukoc makes it is gonna be a huge indicator of whether or not other international players do. As ElNono said, that doesn't even apply to parker since he has no international career that's gonna greatly improve his chances.
No. No one is until they get voted in.
However, his Finals MVP gives him a huge boost. The 3 rings, 2 of them he can claim legitimately, the third Speedy came off the bench to bail him out.
The league is PG strong, so we will see who he has to compete with.
I believe he will be a Hall of Famer. He was a main cog on three le winning teams. He was Finals MVP in 2007. I don't know what the number is off hand, but I'm willing to wager most Finals MVPs are in the Hall. He has been a top 5 point guard in the NBA for several seasons now. He is an MVP candidate this year. If the Spurs win the le this year he will be a lock. I will take a guy like Tony Parker over someone like Vince Carter (debated in a topic a few weeks ago) any day.
If Bruce Bowen's jersey can be retired, sure, he can be elected to the HOF.
Two different things: Franchise vs Basketball in general.If Bruce Bowen's jersey can be retired, sure, he can be elected to the HOF.
Avery Johnson's jersey is also retired, doubt he sees the hall. Same with Elliott.
HOF monitor puts his probability at 71%.HOF monitor
Tony is pretty amazing. He's winding down his 11th season, and that optic system installed in some of the arenas is tracking him as the fastest PG in the league with the ball. For someone who does most of his damage in the paint, he's been remarkably healthy. I think the single thing that has kept him that way is his teardrop. It may add 2-3 strong years to his career. He's a deadly, efficient finisher without having to go all the way to the rim very often and absorb the associated contact. His damn pick and roll jumper has finally turned into ing money the last few years.
Why is Jim just .99999?
Emphatically this.
If Bruce Bowen's jersey can be retired, sure, he can be elected to the HOF.
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