Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense"

[Fabbs]

That supposed witness John also said they were an the grass. Zimmerman says that he was on the concrete. I have not heard Zimmerman or read anything official of what he says so I cannot be sure but if either of those two things are the case then that makes Zimmerman a liar.

Started on the concrete, ended up in the grass?
Many a physical squabble moves around a bit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You told us that you would prefer a white surgeon over a black surgeon.

I think we all do. Affirmative action has done more harm to the black community than racism in some ways. Because of quotas, we cannot know if a person made certain position or jobs by merit, or by quotas.

Would you go to a black surgeon for an operation if he was a product of affirmative action? Of course this information isn't readily available, so most smart people avoid black surgeons. I wonder what type of impact this has on jobs for black. It is a form of prejudice, but it isn't racism.

Its not racism cause i used stats!

Its not eugenics cause we only tie it to govrernment aid.

And

Thats 4 ignores. I keep my replies to him generally short precisely because I wnat others to see. Lets see how long he holds up this time.

[Fabbs]

Whats important is that if Zimmerman did the confrontation then the stand your ground rule doesn't apply.

It doesn't?
tbh the legal laws, by the time both sides get thru twisting the laws around it becomes as one lawyer told me: "The way all trials end up. Merely both sides lawyers arguing about words".

At any rate Fuzzy, this is the land where Casey Anthony walks free. OJ walks free for offing Nicole Brown but then gets wrung up and jailed for trying to retrieve memorabilia. (Not that i mind the latter. In fact i loved it).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Started on the concrete, ended up in the grass?
Many a physical squabble moves around a bit.

Sure i guess maybe he hit the curb. I don't know all of the testimony and he is innocent until proven guilty but the affidavit clearly disagrees with him saying he was trying to get into his car.

[spursncowboys]

trying to save face now
offended by a portrait

thinking a post on a forum saves face.
thinking you zinged anyone.
thinking marketing doesn't affect you in any way
thinking the photo of Martin wasn't a deliberate marketing manuever
believing that if you don't care about a situation, then no one should

open minded if they agree with you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It doesn't?
tbh the legal laws, by the time both sides get thru twisting the laws around it becomes as one lawyer told me: "The way all trials end up. Merely both sides lawyers arguing about words".

At any rate Fuzzy, this is the land where Casey Anthony walks free. OJ walks free for offing Nicole Brown but then gets wrung up and jailed for trying to retrieve memorabilia. (Not that i mind the latter. In fact i loved it).

How does one stand his ground by starting the fight? The law means that you do not have to try to escape if someone comes after you.

[spursncowboys]

You told us that you would prefer a white surgeon over a black surgeon.

That was from an affirmative action discussion. Way to go

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That was from an affirmative action discussion. Way to go

So you want me to find other examples of his racist . He was claiming he never said that. I just demonstrated that he did.

Someone else has a quote in his sig where he says he quotes WC saying knows some black people and likes them but because of statistics he does not trust trust black people he doesn't know. I guess i should find that one too.

I don't care why he is racist. Only that he is. It certainly points to his credibility. Given his credo of stats show that black people = bad people it stands to reason that plays a role on what he expects Martin, who is a black person he does not know, would do.

[Creepn]

It doesn't?
tbh the legal laws, by the time both sides get thru twisting the laws around it becomes as one lawyer told me: "The way all trials end up. Merely both sides lawyers arguing about words".

At any rate Fuzzy, this is the land where Casey Anthony walks free. OJ walks free for offing Nicole Brown but then gets wrung up and jailed for trying to retrieve memorabilia. (Not that i mind the latter. In fact i loved it).

Except that it seems pretty clear to me that the stand your ground law does not apply to him.If he has to twist it around to make it work for him, sounds like a sign of guilt. Lmao look at who you're comparing him to.

[spursncowboys]

So you want me to find other examples of his racist . He was claiming he never said that. I just demonstrated that he did.

Someone else has a quote in his sig where he says he quotes WC saying knows some black people and likes them but because of statistics he does not trust trust black people he doesn't know. I guess i should find that one too.

I don't care why he is racist. Only that he is. It certainly points to his credibility. Given his credo of stats show that black people = bad people it stands to reason that plays a role on what he expects Martin, who is a black person he does not know, would do.

You've been making as many assumptions as well

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You've been making as many assumptions as well

Like what? That the affidavit said that Zimmerman started it or that was Martin's father on tape saying that was his son's voice or that Owens the audio forensics expert said it was a scientific certainty that it was not Zimmerman's voice?

Everything else about who said what i take with a grain of salt even as to what Zimmerman or anyone else said to police. The racist media spin I have ignored from the fbeginning and WC is a well known bigot but he doesn't matter as to anything other than a dumbass trying to come to hos racist conclusions. So what exactly am I making assumptions on?

[Wild Cobra]

That was from an affirmative action discussion. Way to go

LOL...

That's what he said?

He thinks he's the , but can't get such simple facts like that strait.

[Wild Cobra]

You've been making as many assumptions as well

LOL...

He doesn't know the meaning of "if!"

LOL...

LOL...

LOL...

[Wild Cobra]

SnC

That was enough comedy. Please don't quote Fuzzbot anymore. I don't have a desire to see his words.

[Fabbs]

How does one stand his ground by starting the fight? The law means that you do not have to try to escape if someone comes after you.

We don't know for a fact who started the fight.
Including you.

[ElNono]

thinking a post on a forum saves face.
thinking you zinged anyone.
thinking marketing doesn't affect you in any way
thinking the photo of Martin wasn't a deliberate marketing manuever
believing that if you don't care about a situation, then no one should

open minded if they agree with you.

offended by a portrait
media conspiracies
intelligent

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here's something you can have fun with.

I don't like most black people. There are very few who I have met that grew up in a cultural setting I have any respect for. Most I have met are out right thugs, and lack integrity. I could say I don't like black people, but there are some exceptions. If I based all my decisions on statistics, I would stay clear of blacks.

Now if we go farther...

I don't like most police, lawyers, and liberals I meet. Several other classes of people I can add if I take a few moments to think about it.

Why is it I am called a racist when it deals with color, but normal dislikes when with other classifications of people?

That's not true. I meet plenty, and I dislike most I encounter. i dislike many whites I meet as well. Just not as many.

I know they aren't all thugs. I know some who are great people.

Your prejudice is showing.

I am making a factual statement, and you are taking your prejudice, and trying to lay it on me.

You don't even know what you are talking about. Racial quota's have nothing to do with me disliking most blacks I meet.

Not true. I just haven't met as many others who I think are a disgrace to society.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We don't know for a fact who started the fight.
Including you.

Sure but that is what the prosecution alleges. As wine reminded me, its by trial that the facts are determined. Its not a good sign that the prosecution states that.

[Stringer_Bell]

You're asking a guy that's tackled someone who was going to stab someone else, been kidnapped by a gang in Vietnam, and been in a car chase with someone who has broken into my car. So yes.

Oh, so you weren't roleplaying as Trayvon and suggesting that it would be common for a young man to confront someone that fails to identify themselves as an authority? I see. Fair enough, your real life sounds quite exciting tbh.

[Yonivore]

Sure but that is what the prosecution alleges. As wine reminded me, its by trial that the facts are determined. Its not a good sign that the prosecution states that.

And, judging by the affidavit, it's not a bad thing either...

For all we know, they just made that up ... like when they said the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers.

[spursncowboys]

offended by a portrait
media conspiracies
intelligent

rating anyone's intelligence

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And, judging by the affidavit, it's not a bad thing either...

For all we know, they just made that up ... like when they said the dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for officers.

That would be perjury and as much media attention as this is getting that would be professional suicide.

OTOH, what do confirmation bias mean?

[Yonivore]

That would be perjury and as much media attention as this is getting that would be professional suicide.

OTOH, what do confirmation bias mean?

Well, they said it and, if you listen to the entire 911 recording, from beginning to end, nowhere does the dispatcher instruct George Zimmerman to wait. Not once.

From the Affidavit:

"The police dispatcher informed Zimmerman that an officer was on the way and to wait for the officer."

Now, scour the 911 call transcript or recording and tell me where the dispatcher tells Zimmerman to wait.

You're right, it's perjury.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, they said it and, if you listen to the entire 911 recording, from beginning to end, nowhere does the dispatcher instruct George Zimmerman to wait. Not once.

From the Affidavit:



Now, scour the 911 call transcript or recording and tell me where the dispatcher tells Zimmerman to wait.

You're right, it's perjury.

He said 'we don't need you to do that' and if you listen to the tone it was disapproving. i could see how it could be argued. thats not the same thing as just making something up. I agree that the literal interpretation was not a command but it was obvious the dispatcher was indicating that they did not want him to follow.

the dispatcher does not have the authority to command him to stay where he was anyway so its a moot point. Zimmerman's account is mutually exclusive with the affidavit.

[Fabbs]

He said 'we don't need you to do that' and if you listen to the tone it was disapproving.

Could be argued that dispatcher was inferring we don't "need" you to do "that". Hence meaning his doing so would be extra effort but not neccessary as a citizen. Which it was. However Zim could take that by then saying to himself "I don't mind, i don't need to stay here where it's safe. I'll go out and see where he went."