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    Nice, we can have fully automated speeding tickets soon.
    Based on the difficulties that municipalities have had in courts concerning the red light cameras, it's doubtful, imo.

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    It is VERY likely that your vehicle already has one.
    Yes.

    The new engine control computers do store information. How much, I don't know. I know they store a limited amount, but that doesn't mean they don't store a vast amount. I don't think they store enough to be able to reconstruct who's at fault in an accident, if you ran a light, etc. though.

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    Could this be a precursor to a tax based on how many miles we drive?
    Could be one reason.

    If people go to electric, how do they collect road revenues?

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    can we all just get 666 microchips tattoo'd into our foreheads already?

    You mean you don't have yours yet? I though everyone did already.

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    Personally, I would gladly have one of these in my car if it stored and maintained driving data. That doesn't mean I want it mandated.

    I have been in two wrecks in my life, neither my fault, I saw them in time to react, but there wasn't enough time to stop the accident from occurring. Screwed both times by insurance. Such a system will help in showing who is at fault in an accident.

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    born not to carry a phone, but it's highly impractical not to
    Remarkable!! I'm impressed. I'm rarely too far away from mine, and I use it for directions all the time. I want to get the kind that talks back to me next time...guess I'm missing the bratty teenage years from my kids.

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    Remarkable!! I'm impressed. I'm rarely too far away from mine, and I use it for directions all the time. I want to get the kind that talks back to me next time...guess I'm missing the bratty teenage years from my kids.
    I purposely turn mine off quite often.

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    Yes.

    The new engine control computers do store information. How much, I don't know. I know they store a limited amount, but that doesn't mean they don't store a vast amount. I don't think they store enough to be able to reconstruct who's at fault in an accident, if you ran a light, etc. though.


    There's data stored in the airbag control module, there's data stored in the powertrain control module, and there's data stored in the rollover sensor module. Probably others, too.

    You still need an expert to look at the data.

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    Stopped reading.

    Next.

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    Remarkable!! I'm impressed. I'm rarely too far away from mine, and I use it for directions all the time. I want to get the kind that talks back to me next time...guess I'm missing the bratty teenage years from my kids.
    if there were a smartphone that worked real good as a phone, maybe I'd consider getting one of those. Is there one?

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    Personally, I would gladly have one of these in my car if it stored and maintained driving data. That doesn't mean I want it mandated.

    I have been in two wrecks in my life, neither my fault, I saw them in time to react, but there wasn't enough time to stop the accident from occurring. Screwed both times by insurance. Such a system will help in showing who is at fault in an accident.
    I agree with this.

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    born not to carry a phone, but it's highly impractical not to
    Wow. I feel naked without mine.

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    Stopped reading.

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    Beat you to it. Ha.

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    if there were a smartphone that worked real good as a phone, maybe I'd consider getting one of those. Is there one?
    My iPhone 4 does whatever I want it to (except talk back to me) and is quite a good phone. Sounds like it has been a while since you used one? I also like the fact that mine gets text updates for traffic problems in my county in Colorado when I am there. It is not so important here...but up there you can get stuck for HOURS on a highway with no way on or off if you get caught in snow, ice, rock or traffic accidents. It's worth knowing about, imo.

    Phone companies are pe ioning Public Utility commissions for permission to stop serving distant rural areas with landlines if there are internet and/or wireless capabilities in the areas serviced.

    All of which is to say, enjoy your landline while you have it...I think they will disappear in your lifetime.

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    if there were a smartphone that worked real good as a phone, maybe I'd consider getting one of those. Is there one?
    I assume from the above that you have had trouble with...what?...dropped calls?...bad connections?...what?

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    coverage/connectivity, slowness, fragility, general unreliability, the whole gamut. my sweetie's new iPhone seems marginally good, her old one was obviously bad. I don't use one.

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    coverage/connectivity, slowness, fragility, general unreliability, the whole gamut. my sweetie's new iPhone seems marginally good, her old one was obviously bad. I don't use one.
    I don't think it's the best cell phone, but Apple has definitely mastered the minimalist interface, which I prefer. I think some smart phones are going in the wrong direction w bigger screens. Just my two cents.

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    "some say" iphone 5 in Oct will go to bigger screen

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    I just read about that. Just to clarify a bit:

    - SAE J1979 is the standard that defines the how the data (both historical fault and real time) is to be presented to the given interface (OBD2 in the US, JOBD in Japan, etc).

    - Actual mandated storage (until this law anyways) was logging of faults. Included are event log of fault codes, airbag deployment, etc. Mostly related to safety.

    - Newer vehicles also log and report fuel efficiency, since gas mileage has been a fairly big topic.

    - The standard allows custom manufacturer extensions. This is used for a lot of different things. For example, Toyota uses this to configure car options such as auto-unlocking the vehicle when shifted to Park on their Lexus line, update vehicle emissions profiles, etc. Test vehicles are known to use this extension to log long term event data. It's kind of a free for all, and some manufacturers have abused it a bit to build "dealer only" diagnostics tools, by only implementing the bare minimum of the OBD2 standard (mostly emissions and basic diagnostic codes), and moving all the extended diagnostic information into their custom protocol.

    - Actually logging real-time event data for any reasonable amount of time has been fairly cost prohibitive up until recently. With the advent of high capacity, cheap flash memory, it's probably a lot more feasible now. Using a hard-drive on a part that's supposed to be crash-proof isn't an option.

    - OnStar and similar services do have full access to your vehicle data (and more), although they don't necessarily monitor all real time data all the time (OnStar monitors very specific events, such as alarms going off or airbags being deployed). There's simply too much data and their bandwidth is limited. This is changing though, as OnStar already has a deal in place to tap Verizon's LTE network.

    - Manufacturers are, for the most part, against blackboxes. It's evidence that can be used against them if the cause of an accident is a vehicle malfunction due to a manufacturer defect.

    - If you drive around with your cell phone, you're already exposed to giving up an event log of your location if LE is interested in it.

    My 2c.

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    well then, we're all basically ed and have been for quite some time now. the OP is old news repurposed as conspiranoia.

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    - Manufacturers are, for the most part, against blackboxes. It's evidence that can be used against them if the cause of an accident is a vehicle malfunction due to a manufacturer defect.
    Probably true, but I see people prone to starting an accident more worried.

    I'll be the insurance companies would love to get their hands on such data.

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