I think Lee's defensive game could be cleaned up if he had the right coach/environment/mentor. Gonna wait to see what a full off-season with Mark Jackson could do for his game. Even if his D couldn't be improved much, if you combined his offensive game with Duncan's D, they'd be a force.
Well the Suns aren't totally a wash as you make it out to be.
Gortat is a very good center and Markieff Morris is as much an upcoming big talent for a first year big as there is a similar one elsewhere.
I reiterate.. the Suns clearly overachieved, but it isn't that theirs is the worst roster apart from Charlotte. There are way more teams below the Suns in the talents' index.
Talent and record aren't the same thing. I think it's a given the Suns' above .500 record is not in any way an accurate reflection of their talent level.
Name a player on the Suns under 30 who'll ever develop into anything more than a role player. You don't get that no matter how many role players like Morris, Warrick, Telfair etc. who have shown flashes of good play you have, none of it matters if your roster is barren of someone to build around which the Suns' is. On top of that, Sarver refuses to let the team bottom out, so all they do is draft more role players with mid round picks.
Warrick and Telfair are also rejects who went to the Suns with little to no options. The fact you cited them as an example of talent who the Suns can rebuild around proves my point.
Yup.. and I am sure you don't watch basketball, do you?are you ing serious?
You are an idiot who doesn't know a thing about defense.
How many times has David Lee's team made the playoffs? They have never made it, because his defense is horrible beyond comparison.
Diaw has disappointed in a few seasons, but he has helped teams win as he is doing for the Spurs.
Gortat is 28 and is definitely not just a role player. I really do think Morris and Warrick, who are both under 30, have the potential to be good. They won't be stars, but I can see them becoming solid starters. I never said the Suns had a player to build around, but they have good players that can develop into a Denver-like team or even trade pieces to bring in a player that can be used to rebuild.
Golden State didn't make the playoffs because the team as a whole is poor, with poor ownership (unless this Bogut trade works out) and up until this year poor coaching. You can't put the load on Lee; he alone cannot take a team to the playoffs, just like Diaw himself couldn't make the Bobcats not .
I'm saying it wasn't a mistake. Nash isn't stupid, he didn't sign an extension in 2009 because he was naive and thought Sarver was truly gonna turn things around. He signed the extension knowing Amare was probably leaving a year later (when he contract would have expired without extension). He signed an extension because he likes it the way he has it in Phoenix and also because no other team in their right mind was gonna give him 11M a year after he just quit on Porter and led a team mutiny to get him fired.
Nash was under contract through the 2009-2010 season before the extension. His 2 year extension was over 2 years of him being on a lottery team. The extension wasn't necessary for him to be on the 2010 team.
Given how Sarver had worked from 2004-2009, there was no reason for Nash to think Sarver was gonna suddenly start doing stuff to improve the team. Once again, Nash isn't an idiot, and Nash wasn't gonna sign an extension with irrational logic. Nash knew when he signed the extension he was signing up for 2 more years with an owner who didn't give two s about winning.
You're complete forgetting how much of a disaster the Suns were when he signed the extension in 2009. They had just missed the players, the media was lobbing non-stop criticism at them for how they treated Porter, and there was a huge divide in the locker room. Signing that extension in 2009 was not in any way something someone who wanted to win above anything else would do.
I'll take Lee over Diaw every day of the week, twice on Sundays... Diaw's defense is average at best (he looks good when your fallbacks are Blair and Bonner), which matches Lee, and Lee is way more talented offensively.
Lee just been on bad teams, not much different than DWill... dude can easily average a double-double. You won't ever see that from Diaw.
Nonsense.
Basketballvalue says that the Warriors give up 5 points more when they play David Lee on the floor.. (over scrubs or newbies such as Ekpe Udoh, Chris Wright, Gladness, etc).. And this is a bad defensive team that gets worse.
Why would a Spurs team that needs their big to play atleast above average defense want David Lee?
Boris Diaw as long as he has played for the Spurs, even in limited minutes ..(and he is a starter now) has improved the Spurs defense replacing Blair. He is the best passing big in the team and he is on a minimum contract.
Why the eff would anyone want Lee on the Spurs with a contract that pays him $14 million (more than Manu, Parker, and Jackson?)
I follow the NBA from afar, but I watch games and know enough to distinguish a good big from a defensively challenged one.
You? A bad mouthing racist idiot who doesn't know a thing, apparently.
Give me Lee over Diaw any day. And I'm a fan of Diaw's play in San Antonio.
tbh, the only valid argument I could see is that Lee put up big numbers because he played on teams, but Diaw played on teams too and was never even close.
That still doesn't suggest that he will sign an extension now. Thats all I have to say.
On a contending team he'd be one.
This is now Warrick's 7th season in the NBA and he's given no indication he's ever gonna be better than he is right now. This was his least productive season since his rookie year, so it's great that you think he has potential to be good, but any GM in his right mind wouldn't expect Warrick to suddenly start getting better after 7 years in the NBA.
Once again, Warrick has been in the NBA for 7 years and has yet to become a solid starter, what logical reason do you have for thinking he's gonna suddenly become one after two seasons with the Suns where he was even less productive than in previous years. There's a much higher chance of him regressing even further. I'm pretty sure Hakeem Warrick's mother sees less potential in him than you do.
Denver will never have a prayer at being a contender the way they currently are. Which pieces can the Suns trade for a player they can rebuild around?
I agree it doesn't, but that wasn't "all you had to say" originally. Your first argument was "Nash wants to win as much as anyone else" and the 2009 extension proves that he doesn't.
20/10 machine who gives up 5 more points than a combination of Gladness, Moore, Jenkins, Udoh (since departed)
versus
A High IQ player who is not as fat as he was with the Bobcats..and is a hardworking defensive player as compared to Bonner/ Blair..
I take the latter. And glad that you acknowledge that you are an idiot who doesn't watch games. Do that and we will talk.
I said "Nash wants to win as much as anyone else" and "he wants to earn his pay as much as anyone else". I don't agree that it was predestined that his squad will get worse in 2009 ..it was good enough in 2010..
It is predestined now that it will remain bad for a year more and Nash is losing time and he *has* earned his pay now and can afford to play for a MLE *now*.
..is what I am saying.
I personally always liked Gortat... I thought he would've been a great piece to play next to Duncan...
I think the biggest issue with these Suns has been the old guys... Hill missed some games, Nash can only play limited minutes, Redd is halfway done... they put all their chips there and it didn't pay off...
Then there's Lopez not developing into anything, and relying on guys like Telfair...
Other than that, there are some nice pieces there to put around a superstar... Gortat, Shannon Brown, Dudley, Morris, Frye...
biggest mistake was letting Amare go
Also, MarQueef Morris averaged 7.5 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 39.9% shooting this year. My guess is being surrounded by bigger made him look better, but nothing about his is particularly promising or special. He's a power forward who shot below 40%. That's abysmal even for a rookie.
Now that the garbage cans Lakaluva, Koolaid, Culburn etc have been tamed and the Forum is sane enough for me to post.. there is still some left in folks like you.. Lets see how long you last.
That's on Sarver not wanting to pay up...
Well, he is a rook and so you have to give him some time... I mean, Lopez is in his 4th season and still garbage... there's a legitimate gripe there...
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