explain?
Well duh. The reefer madness bull was debunked 50 years ago and those pot smoking baby boomers are the parents/grandparents you are referring to.
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The problem is that regardless whether a majority of baby boomers have smoked pot or not, and regardless of the facts, the majority thinks it's a gateway drug. And it's not. Do you understand my position now?
PS if this were not the case, pot would be legal now. Propaganda and Big $$ can only go so far if everyone in the USA knows it's harmless. Take a look at the article WH23 just posted for how the public perception has changed just since the early 90's. Which is just the problem. People who are against legalization can't really point to any detrimental health or psychological effects, so they call it a gateway drug and assert that a kid who picks up pot is probably going to do something else stronger and much more dangerous.
pps some of this is anecdotal and me venting, just throwing it out there... this country wastes too much money on imprisoning druggies who would never harm anyone else 1/10 of what alcohol causes.
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I totally agree. I have voiced the opinion in here before that marijuana should be legalized, locally grown, and taxed.
question:
Is there an easy test (like a breathalyzer) to see if you are stoned?
I have always found it somewhat ironic that the south and immediate American frontier has been so much for the nations drug policy. Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, etc are all prime locations to grow marijuana. The decline of the tobacco industry has been a hit that some sections have never recovered from.
Areas outside of Louisville, KY have had the cycle of poverty trapping them for generations. Yet those dumb s consistently support policies that are not in their best interests.
Social control is a i guess.
No but there aren't breath tests for DMT either. There are still field sobriety tests.
I fail to see how their lack of ability to control means that all behavior associated with the activity merits banning.
I can't say I'd be all that excited about Texas grown weed tbh. Once I got out to Cali and started smoking their I couldn't believe the difference in quality.
Are you talking dirt farmer indigenous stuff? The hydroponic homegrown stuff or the mexican red hair bricks?
People have been bringing cuttings of those same plants back here and growing them for years sir
The thing we don't have b/c of our policies is those nifty Eureka vapor pens that use hash oil
I remember smoking red hair and it wasn't compared to the chronic and the humboldt county I started smoking in Cali. One or two big hits and I was good on those.
Yeah, but did they bring that wet foggy weather with them to grow it in?People have been bringing cuttings of those same plants back here and growing them for years sir
The thing we don't have b/c of our policies is those nifty Eureka vapor pens that use hash oil
It's not the weather, it's the genetics. Good stuff can be grown organically in Texas. You're just are remembering the Mexican dirt weed thats always around.
CC, you ever smoke some called Airplane around 77-78? I was reading a hilarious story about it the other day.
bb, yeah that mexican red hair schwag is just . Only redeeming factor is that you can get a lb for the same price as a oz of the better stuff.
Naaa...I was already out of the game by then. I only played till I graduated from college. I rolled with some big players back in the day. Had a pound of Thai pot which I paid an astronomical price of $400 a LB. that was so good you couldn't roll a J with it. Had to use a one hit hash pipe or you would be drooling in the corner.
How much would you grow?
that's one of the problems I believe are keeping it from being legalized. My information is old, so it might be different now, but the tests I know of are just a positive/negative. They don't indicate levels to determine intoxication.
Again, things may have changed.
Just depends how they set up the laws. I have the land/water/facilities to go big time if I wanted. Harvest would be really labor intensive, so it's not going to be grown like corn in Iowa.
The Top Five Special Interest Groups Lobbying to Keep Marijuana Illegal
Last year, over 850,000 people in America were arrested for marijuana-related crimes. Despite public opinion, the medical community, and human rights experts all moving in favor of relaxing marijuana prohibition laws, little has changed in terms of policy.
There have been many great books and articles detailing the history of the drug war. Part of America’s fixation with keeping the leafy green plant illegal is rooted in cultural and political clashes from the past.
However, we at Republic Report think it’s worth showing that there are entrenched interest groups that are spending large sums of money to keep our broken drug laws on the books:
1.) Police Unions: Police departments across the country have become dependent on federal drug war grants to finance their budget. In March, we published a story revealing that a police union lobbyist in California coordinated the effort to defeat Prop 19, a ballot measure in 2010 to legalize marijuana, while helping his police department clients collect tens of millions in federal marijuana-eradication grants. And it’s not just in California. Federal lobbying disclosures show that other police union lobbyists have pushed for stiffer penalties for marijuana-related crimes nationwide.
2.) Private Prisons Corporations: Private prison corporations make millions by incarcerating people who have been imprisoned for drug crimes, including marijuana. As Republic Report’s Matt Stoller noted last year, Corrections Corporation of America, one of the largest for-profit prison companies, revealed in a regulatory filing that continuing the drug war is part in parcel to their business strategy. Prison companies have spent millions bankrolling pro-drug war politicians and have used secretive front groups, like the American Legislative Exchange Council, to pass harsh sentencing requirements for drug crimes.
3.) Alcohol and Beer Companies: Fearing compe ion for the dollars Americans spend on leisure, alcohol and tobacco interests have lobbied to keep marijuana out of reach. For instance, the California Beer & Beverage Distributors contributed campaign contributions to a committee set up to prevent marijuana from being legalized and taxed.
4.) Pharmaceutical Corporations: Like the sin industries listed above, pharmaceutical interests would like to keep marijuana illegal so American don’t have the option of cheap medical alternatives to their products. Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now lobbies the government to relax marijuana prohibition laws, told Republic Report that next to police unions, the “second biggest opponent on Capitol Hill is big PhRMA” because marijuana can replace “everything from Advil to Vicodin and other expensive pills.”
5.) Prison Guard Unions: Prison guard unions have a vested interest in keeping people behind bars just like for-profit prison companies. In 2008, the California Correctional Peace Officers Association spent a whopping $1 million to defeat a measure that would have “reduced sentences and parole times for nonviolent drug offenders while emphasizing drug treatment over prison.”
http://truth-out.org/news/item/8854-...ijuana-illegal
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The War on Drugs/Marijuana is all about money, not about morals, or anything else. The PIC is heavily invested in the War and will buy enough politicians (they're all cheap) to keep the war going.
I know it's hard for you to understand but it's called beliefs. ethics. moral compass. Maybe they don't believe being a drug dealer is what they want to accomplish in life. What they thought their god wanted them to do in life. Maybe. Who knows? Lets' all do drugs, have sex with whomever and whatever we want, while assuming no responsiblity for disintegration of our social norms.
With that said,alot of the states you just said has the highest mariajuana growth in america.
How do you think that social control is manifested?
I know it's hard for you to understand but it's called beliefs. ethics. moral compass. Maybe they don't believe being a drug dealer is what they want to accomplish in life. What they thought their god wanted them to do in life. Maybe. Who knows? Lets' all do drugs, have sex with whomever and whatever we want, while assuming no responsiblity for disintegration of our social norms.
With that said,alot of the states you just said has the highest mariajuana growth in america.
Drug czar: There are no good reasons to legalize marijuana
R. Gil Kerlikowske, the director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, on Tuesday denied there was any reason the United States should regulate marijuana the same way it regulates alcohol.
“There are no good reasons to legalize marijuana,” he said at an event hosted by the Center for American Progress.
“I often hear about tax, regulate and control as an answer,” Kerlikowske continued. “And then I look at prescription drugs — which as I mentioned take over fifteen thousand lives a year, let alone the number of people who come into emergency departments and the number of people that are treated — and prescription drugs are already taxed, are already regulated, are already controlled and we do a very poor job of keeping them out of the hands of abusers and young people.”
“So I don’t see that we would do a very good job with a substance that can easily evade the tax scheme because it doesn’t take rocket science to grow marijuana.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/0...=Google+Reader
Good article on this topic...
What Is President Obama’s Problem With Medical Marijuana?
But they weren’t. Two years later, the Obama Administration is cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries and growers just as harshly as the Administration of George W. Bush did. In 2011, the Department of Justice revised its guidance to U.S. Attorneys, allowing them to target any medical marijuana activity except for ill patients and their immediate caregivers. The Drug Enforcement Administration has made it clear that “medical marijuana is not medicine,” and even called it a “mortal danger.” The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms has banned the sale of guns to medical marijuana patients. The Department of Housing and Urban Development has told public housing authorities that they can’t rent to medical marijuana patients. And the Internal Revenue Service has reiterated its position that medical pot businesses cannot deduct expenses related to an illegal drug. Fearing federal intervention, many banks are now dropping medical marijuana dispensaries as customers.
In many states, U.S. Attorneys have advised state and local officials to back away from plans to create rules and regulations that would codify the medical pot industry, in some cases raising the possibility that lawmakers could be prosecuted for promoting drug use that is legal under state law. As a result, dispensary openings in states like Delaware, Arizona and Washington have been delayed. Colorado has abandoned a plan to provide legal financing for medical marijuana operations, and a northern California sheriff has been ordered to stop tagging plants as legitimately grown for medical use. In Oakland, the city council was forced to abandon a plan for creating warehouse-sized medical marijuana growing facilities. At the same time, U.S. Attorneys have been seeking the closure of dispensaries in California and Colorado without any demonstration that there are violations of state law. There are no public government statistics about the scale of these efforts, but an medical marijuana advocates say publicly announced Obama Administration raids on ostensibly medical marijuana operations are happening at a greater clip than in the second term of George W. Bush.
This has created a clear disconnect between the policy on the ground, and the public statements of officials in Washington. Back in December, Attorney General Eric Holder reiterated his claim that only medical marijuana operators that are behaving outside state law would be targeted by federal officials. (His statement was brilliantly hard to parse: “If in fact people are not using the policy decision that we have made to use marijuana in a way that’s not consistent with the state statute, we will not use our limited resources in that way,” he testified before Congress.) More recently, Obama told Rolling Stone, “The only tension that’s come up—and this gets hyped up a lot—is a murky area where you have large-scale, commercial operations that may also be supplying medical marijuana users.”
This isn’t the whole story...
http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/03...ors_picks=true
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