Obamacare decision announced...

[Agloco]

Flashback

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-is-not-a-tax/

Semantics tbh. People are ponying up regardless of the moniker used.

[scott]

You know what will happen. They will still get treatment for free.

Of course, but that's kind of where I'm going.

Perhaps I'm the only one who feels this way (and this is likely better suited for its own thread), but I think it stresses the need for serious immigration reform.

The bottom line, is that so long as relative quality of life differences exist between nations, you will NEVER put a stop to immigration. The idea that you can is naive. One of the basic elements of human nature is the animal instinct to survive and seek out the best living situation possible.

My person opinion is that EVERY HUMAN BEING should have the right to try to do best for themselves and their families. If you were a poor Mexican, you'd be trying your damnedest to get here too.

The idea that we already have a system by which immigrants can come here legally is laughable. For starters, there are quotas in place which by default create the incentive for people to bypass the system in order seek a better life for themselves, the same goes with work permits and visas.

Call it a Guest Worker program, or whatever you want, but we need a system by which people can come to this country without a path to citizenship but still pay taxes. Any other immigration solution is a waste of time.

[Agloco]

Just average quality insurance costs $400 a month at least. You would have to make $250,000 a year for 2% to be more.

Thanks for doing the math. This confirms my su ions.

[scott]

Just average quality insurance costs $400 a month at least. You would have to make $250,000 a year for 2% to be more.

This is a good point, though if we are trying to net out the fiscal effects of the law, the tax need not be equal to the average cost of insurance, it needs to be equal to the average cost of the health care an uninsured person receives (which may be greater or less than the $400/month you cited).

[Drachen]

Isn't the hospital now forced into a defacto check on immigration status? If all citizens are now forced to have insurance, non-citizens should be the only ones left without it.

No citizens are forced to have insurance. Citizens are forced to EITHER have insurance OR pay the tax.

[boutons_deux]

the 4 JINOs against, no surprise.

but was Kennedy or umpire Roberts the 5th for?

up next:

SCALIA SAYS ALL Y'ALL GOTTA BUY BROCCOLI!

what a ing legal cretin

[coyotes_geek]

No citizens are forced to have insurance. Citizens are forced to EITHER have insurance OR pay the tax.

Is the hospital going to have to report the uninsured people they treat to the government so that the government can be sure they're paying the tax? Any way you cut it, it sure seems to me like this law has unintentionally created a system where illegals are identifed.

[boutons_deux]

The failure to address how illegals will be handled is one of the major shortcomings of the law.



Isn't the hospital now forced into a defacto check on immigration status? If all citizens are now forced to have insurance, non-citizens should be the only ones left without it.

illegals, like uninsured, receive "free care" (compassinate) care only at taxpayer funded facilities.

Now we have 40M uninsured at least paying something in (buy for-profit insurance or pay the penalty).

The real problem is that medical care and insurance are exorbitantly, unjustifiably expensive. any attempts to address that gets shouted down by screams and whining from the sick-care richies.


solution:

govt-employed, govt-financed doctors working on salary, not for fee-for-service,

and a hard-core, univeral no-profit public insurance option, taken out of every paycheck.

[ElNono]

I'll be surprised if this healthcare law stays as is. God bless

rememba det time when you thought the SCOTUS would kill it?

[MannyIsGod]

Is the hospital going to have to report the uninsured people they treat to the government so that the government can be sure they're paying the tax? Any way you cut it, it sure seems to me like this law has unintentionally created a system where illegals are identifed.

I don't think so. I think you're reaching.

[boutons_deux]

Is the hospital going to have to report the uninsured people they treat to the government so that the government can be sure they're paying the tax? Any way you cut it, it sure seems to me like this law has unintentionally created a system where illegals are identifed.

somewhat, but a long time ago, the humanitarian decision was made that no taxpayer-financed ER could deny care.

for-profit facilities could always, and still can, let you bleed, etc to death

[scott]

govt-employed, govt-financed doctors working on salary, not for fee-for-service

I see bright individuals lining up in droves to best a government salaried doctor.

[leemajors]

illegals, like uninsured, receive "free care" (compassinate) care only at taxpayer funded facilities.

Now we have 40M uninsured at least paying something in (buy for-profit insurance or pay the penalty).

The real problem is that medical care and insurance are exorbitantly, unjustifiably expensive. any attempts to address that gets shouted down by screams and whining from the sick-care richies.


solution:

govt-employed, govt-financed doctors working on salary, not for fee-for-service,

and a hard-core, univeral no-profit public insurance option, taken out of every paycheck.

I think we can all agree on this. I'm very, very glad my employer pays half of my insurance (esp since I have a child).

[scott]

I don't think so. I think you're reaching.

Don't think he is reaching at all.

This system creates a situation where every person in America legally pays for Health Care in one way or another, and illegal aliens don't.

[Agloco]

somewhat, but a long time ago, the humanitarian decision was made that no taxpayer-financed ER could deny care.

for-profit facilities could always, and still can, let you bleed, etc to death

This couldn't be further from the truth. Any accredited health care ins ution is obligated to treat and stabilize the condition you came in with. Afterwards, transfer is arranged to a county facility.

[Agloco]

I don't think so. I think you're reaching.

Gotta respectfully disagree here Manny. Any illegal coming in for care would be on record as being a non-payer. Intentional or not, a list would be created over time.

Now, what is done with said information is another matter entirely. That almost certainly would become an issue down the road though.

[coyotes_geek]

I don't think so. I think you're reaching.

There's got to be some mechanism for the government to know which citizens have insurance and which ones have to pay the tax. How is it a reach to think somebody is going to notice if you're not on either list?

[Wild Cobra]

Palin, while a ditz, does have a point. The ruling does give republicans ammo to call out Obama for raising taxes.

He's gonna lose big in November.

[clambake]

He's gonna lose big in November.

and you will be taxed in 2014.

[scott]

He's gonna lose big in November.

He might lose, but it assuredly won't be "big".

Until a candidate so amazing to sweep us all off our feet comes along, there will be no more "big" Presidential wins. They'll all be close.

[Wild Cobra]

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that it can force every legal resident to purchase insurance, it will be interesting to see how this plays into the Immigration Debate. So now what happens when an illegal immigrant with no health insurance shows up at a hospital?

Hopefully, we will see more deportations.

[boutons_deux]

I see bright individuals lining up in droves to best a government salaried doctor.

your anti-govt bias is obvious, asshole

do you liked having the sick-are industry suck out $100Ks of your income over your working years?

not every little, or non-major, treatment needs 5-star delivery in a 5-star facility by $500K+/year doctors.

100K/year are killed by medical errors in those 5-start medical factories.

I'm sure there are plenty of young people wanting practice medicine on a salary rather than wasting months per years working to cover overhead

[Juggity]

He's gonna lose big in November.

Given his legislative accomplishments, personal popularity, and the court backing his signature achievement, I'd say the chances of your prophecy coming true are increasingly unlikely.

[scott]

your anti-govt bias is obvious, asshole

do you liked having the sick-are industry suck out $100Ks of your income over your working years?

not every little, or non-major, treatment needs 5-star delivery in a 5-star facility by $500K+/year doctors.

100K/year are killed by medical errors in those 5-start medical factories.

I'm sure there are plenty of young people wanting practice medicine on a salary rather than wasting months per years working to cover overhead

LOL, you think I'm a Republican and SnakeBoy thinks I'm a Democrat.

I think that means I'm exactly where I need to be.

[Drachen]

Is the hospital going to have to report the uninsured people they treat to the government so that the government can be sure they're paying the tax? Any way you cut it, it sure seems to me like this law has unintentionally created a system where illegals are identifed.

Why would they need to report to the government? The government will already know.