I take that to mean you believe that Martin simply reacted violently to being followed and wanted to prove a point to Zimmerman?
If so, what is your theory as to why Martin would initially react to Zimmerman by running away?
Zimmerman's written statement says Trayvon circled his car but then ran away from him and ran to the street on which his dad's GF lived.
Why would Trayvon run away from Zimmerman if he wanted to start trouble with him? If his intent is to teach Zimmerman a listen once he observes him following/watching him, why would he run and head towards the house he was staying at? How could he possibly have known he'd ever see Zimmerman again when he chose to run away fom him?
It just doesn't add up... Zimmerman wants us to believe Trayvon did a complete 180 in his mindset of going from being scared enough to run away to then confronting and attacking without any provocation just a few seconds later. Maybe that's believable if they prove Trayvon is bipolar or schizophrenic. If not, it just doesn't make sense.
Yes, that's what I believe.
Is that the fact?
I don't recall seeing that. Did I miss something crucial? Can you direct me to it?
Again, I didn't see evidence as to that being the case. I know his girlfriend is on record as telling him to run away, but I don't believe that's what happened.
If you say so. I missed it if that's what happened. Again, please point me to where this is in evidence.
Yeah skittles and a hoodie are grounds for probable cause....
Yep...
You are most definitely stupid enough to believe that.
Derpa derp derp. You are the one that said it. I just mocked you for it.
There you go again, making things up and lying.
Please show me where I said that, you ing low life liar.
Here I am, having an honest discussion with BobbyJoe, and here you are, being a lowlife jerk.
Do you even know what probable cause means and who or what it applies to?
Zimmerman doesn't get to play cop and even if he did walking with skittles and a hoodie at night in the rain is not anything remotely implying a crime.
This is once again you lacking critical thinking skills in regards to what you say or the logical extensions thereof.
You can call me a lowlife all you like but as with everything you can show no specifics. You and your stupidity on the other hand has a long line of empirical examples to demonstrate the truth of that.
I have to wonder Fuzzy, if you are the inspiration for the movie Sucker Punch.
I have to wonder are you the inspiration behind the movie Idiocracy?
Well, I never heard of that movie and had to look it up. It doesn't surprise me it's in you favorite movie list.
You still didn't show me where I said what you accuse me of.
I realize you cannot see or understand it and that goes back to my point about your inablility to understand logical extensions. You said:
Think about it some more. I'll give you a hint: what do you think is the case?Look, if there is merit to Zimmerman attempting to restrain Martin with su ion and not probable cause, then I agree there is cause to convict Zimmerman. I just don't believe that was the case.
I'm sorry if you thinking capacity is too re ed to understand my point. I'm sure BobbyJoe understood. Either way, it would be proper for you to ask for clarification instead of being accusatory like you are. It's just farther proof you are a moron.
I don't need clarification. You think probable cause is an issue in Zimmerman 'restraining' Martin.
As i stated not only do you not know what the you are talking about but you fail to understand what you are saying implies beyond the immediate.
On Martin running:
From the part of Zimmerman's call to police where he says, "He's running" to the time he hangs up is almost exactly 2 minutes. The girlfriend DeeDee says she heard their (GZ and TM) verbal exchange a few seconds before her and Martin's call went dead.
If you look at the phone records of both calls, from the time of Zimmerman's "He's running" to a best guess of DeeDee hearing "Why are you following me?" looks to be close to 4 minutes.
Where did Martin go for those 4 minutes? Looking at the map of the complex, surely he could have made it home in a fraction of that time if he ran, or even jogged. Why didn't he just run inside his house? Not that he had to, but if he was scared of/concerned about Zimmerman, then why wouldn't he just do that?
Seems like he either ran to his house, or close to his house, and then went back up towards the "T" area of the sidewalks, or he ran for just a few moments and then lingered in that area somewhere until he saw Zimmerman again. Unless someone can think of another explanation for his whereabouts during that time. At one point during her interview DeeDee says something like "He (TM) said he wasn't going to run because he's right by his father's house." Right by is vague of course, but if he was close enough to say "right by", then how did he end up at the sidewalk "T"? He would have had to have gone back.
Putting together a timeline for the actions of both is going to be basically the whole case, and 4 minutes is a very long time here.
^Doesn't want his pursuer to know where he lives and put his little brother in harm's way. He was trying to shake him off to me.
so now trayvon should have walked home and be followed by the creep stalking him? does that make any sense? i'm starting to believe some of you have ZERO survival skills lol.
can't remember who, but early in the original thread some posters were saying that if someone pointed a gun at them they wouldn't fight, instead they'd turn their backs on the guy and run lmaooo.
Last edited by Trill Clinton; 07-08-2012 at 01:59 PM.
He should have called the police if his concern was safety. We know he had a working cell phone.
Maybe he should have but as I explained to you before, calling the police is a last resort type of thing for AA's. Calling the cops brings the extreme possibility of more trouble either by the cops, the escaped suspect or the suspect's affiliates.
Stop being so faux naive to the fact that cops and blacks don't exactly have a cozy relationship.
Good god, how the is people still arguing about this months later?
Months later? This whole thing is still current ongoing news.
He was 17, in a strange environment and under duress. You're expecting a fully rational response from this kid?
You live in the past. You really think teaching kids your "black code" will make things better for them?
If the argument is he was worried about bringing an intruder to his brother, then he should have called the police. Period. You don't go beating the out of someone just because they are following you.
Desire, yes. Expect, no. Kids doing stupid things get so many killed. Cars, motorcycles, bicycles, even skateboards and simpler ways. Why should Zimmerman pay for protecting himself from assault?
lol @ "past" its STILL a reality TODAY. bottom line, trayvon should never had been put in the situation. a 17 year old child doesn't always make rational decisions at that age, especially when they're frightened. its easy to say "do this" or "do that" when you're a 60 year old white male.
Last edited by Trill Clinton; 07-09-2012 at 08:33 AM.
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