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    Oh well. You can characterize me however you like. I have no respect for you whatsoever so derision because I annoy you coming from someone such as yourself is meaningless.

    OTOH, just like you claimed that graph earlier this year was from BEST when it really came from a denial website you leave out the context of the quote from above when you posted that graph.

    I call you deceptive because i can point to things such as the above. When I call you a sophist i again can point to things like the above because you take anything that you think might support your case and present it without thought. the appearance is much more important to you than the reality.

    You can call me an insect but at the same time it is demonstrable that you are deceptive as is your sophistry. I will leave to others to decide which is more compelling.
    Shouldn't you be busy writing a strongly-worded email to the "authorities" about Poptech that no one will read?

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    2012 is not in a good position to surpass 2010 as surface temp but the chances of setting a new sea ice extent low re good, sea ice volume will almost certainly hit a new low, the extreme index is at an all time high (although this could change) and we have a developing El Nino.

    I made a post about a year ago talking about how I was coming to believe that the effects of global warming were actually starting to show up in extreme weather. Considering the recent papers that have been published regarding that, I believe there is convincing evidence for that point.

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    Shouldn't you be busy writing a strongly-worded email to the "authorities" about Poptech that no one will read?
    Who said they were authorities? I know at least some of them were read.

    I just figured those he slanders should know the context of his mental illness. It's not like I lied about or misrepresented what he said.

    It's cute that you go cavalier for him though.

    What i want to know is why you do not bother to read what you post on here. Or is it that you do read them but just do not care about the context of the article you pull stuff from?

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    So the last 12 months have been the warmest on record? We are talking about recorded temperatures only. Interesting how that data can be manipulated to spread panic and gloom and doom to people.

    What were the temps like in the 1700s, 1600s, and 1500s? I want one of these global warming panic mode gloom and doom to fork out some legitimate non-biased data and evidence on that .

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    So the last 12 months have been the warmest on record? We are talking about recorded temperatures only. Interesting how that data can be manipulated to spread panic and gloom and doom to people.

    What were the temps like in the 1700s, 1600s, and 1500s? I want one of these global warming panic mode gloom and doom to fork out some legitimate non-biased data and evidence on that .
    So you don't know and then assume what you want it to be.

    It's so damn hard in today's day and age the answer to your question. . I put in " temperature 1700s" and came up with this
    http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2002/06/patterns.html

    Damn that was hard.

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    I want exact temperatures or at least temperatures that have an interval of 95 percent accuracy from 200 A.D.


    I want them now.


    But seriously, I just laugh at this . Read these panic gloom and doom stories carefully. When these day after tomorrow scientists and meteorologists say that so and so year was the warmest ever on record, you have to read it carefully. That statement is based on recorded temperatures. It does not taken into account the temperatures that were not recorded. When a day after tomorrow scientist tells me that 2012 was warmer than 1000 AD or whatever in year they use, I will always be skeptical.


    And again, if global warming or climate change is a huge life and death situation type of problem then why aren't people doing anything to fight it? People just seem to about it and gloom and doom over it. The day after tomorrow types just want to blame humanity for this without ever really giving any solutions to the gloom and doom problem.


    And why is a person the turd of the world if they think global warming or climate change is just a natural occurence? What if it's natural and just happens in cycles during periods of time?

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    Not a turd of a world just an ignorant fool. Plenty of those around.

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    I'm an ignorant fool because I don't believe NYC is going to be under water in 60 years because a scientist had a hypothesis about it?

    I just laugh at people that would basically bet their lives on the absolute validity of scientific theories. Didn't scientists use to tell us that the Earth was going to be destroyed by the hole in the ozone layer? Didn't scientists tell us that we were headed for another ice age back in the 1970s? Didn't scientists and American society back in the 1950s tell us that we would have flying cars by the year 2000?

    How did those predictions(guesses) work out?

    Climate change/global warming is just like abortion. They are used to distract people away from the bigger problems like the economy. People about climate change and abortion yet they offer no solutions, answers, or compromises on how to deal with them.

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    You're an ignorant fool because there are no credible scientists saying NY is going to be underwater in 60 years. Considering that by 2100 scientific consensus argues for 1 meter of sea level rise you're pretty damn off base.

    You're an ignorant fool because you're ignorant of what the science actually says.

    So yeah, keep talking out of your ass and proving how well informed you are and how you're not an ignorant fool. Please, continue.

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    @ flying cars. WTF?

    @ destroyed by the ozone hole.

    @ ice age.

    This is great. You're definitely not an ignorant fool. Not at all. You're VERY well informed.

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    Urban heat islands!
    Well, are you going to say that these heat islands were as many and large in the 30's as they are in modern day?

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    Arrogant know it all day after tomorrow bandwagon science fan, what are the winning numbers for the Texas Lottery for tomorrow night? I could really use the money. I figure you could hook me up with that information since you know everything about science.

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    I'll let 255 scientists from the NAS, the pinnacle of US science say it:

    We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts. There is always some uncertainty associated with scientific conclusions; science never absolutely proves anything. When someone says that society should wait until scientists are absolutely certain before taking any action, it is the same as saying society should never take action. For a problem as potentially catastrophic as climate change, taking no action poses a dangerous risk for our planet.

    Scientific conclusions derive from an understanding of basic laws supported by laboratory experiments, observations of nature, and mathematical and computer modeling. Like all human beings, scientists make mistakes, but the scientific process is designed to find and correct them. This process is inherently adversarial— scientists build reputations and gain recognition not only for supporting conventional wisdom, but even more so for demonstrating that the scientific consensus is wrong and that there is a better explanation. That's what Galileo, Pasteur, Darwin, and Einstein did. But when some conclusions have been thoroughly and deeply tested, questioned, and examined, they gain the status of "well-established theories" and are often spoken of as "facts."

    For instance, there is compelling scientific evidence that our planet is about 4.5bn years old (the theory of the origin of Earth), that our universe was born from a single event about 14bn years ago (the Big Bang theory), and that today's organisms evolved from ones living in the past (the theory of evolution). Even as these are overwhelmingly accepted by the scientific community, fame still awaits anyone who could show these theories to be wrong. Climate change now falls into this category: there is compelling, comprehensive, and consistent objective evidence that humans are changing the climate in ways that threaten our societies and the ecosystems on which we depend.

    Many recent assaults on climate science and, more disturbingly, on climate scientists by climate change deniers, are typically driven by special interests or dogma, not by an honest effort to provide an alternative theory that credibly satisfies the evidence. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other scientific assessments of climate change, which involve thousands of scientists producing massive and comprehensive reports, have, quite expectedly and normally, made some mistakes. When errors are pointed out, they are corrected.

    But there is nothing remotely identified in the recent events that changes the fundamental conclusions about climate change:

    (i) The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. A snowy winter in Washington does not alter this fact.
    (ii) Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.
    (iii) Natural causes always play a role in changing Earth's climate, but are now being overwhelmed by human-induced changes.
    http://www.pacinst.org/climate/climate_statement.pdf

    Your argument is so ignorant.

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    If global warming/climate change is destroying Earth, stop ing about it and do something. Put up or shut up.

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    If global warming/climate change is destroying Earth, stop ing about it and do something. Put up or shut up.


    It's been entertaining watching you dissemble to this point. I really like how you accused people of 'worshiping science' and comparing climate change to abortion.

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    I'm curious Manny. These laughing fits you keep having. Is it lack of meds, or abuse of meds?

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    I stand by what I said. If you're going to about global warming and blame humankind for it then put up or shut up. Either step up and do something productive to fight global warming or slow it down or honestly just shut your mouth. I'm not going to do anything because I don't care to be honest. If Water World or The Day After Tomorrow happens, I will probably be dead so I won't worry myself over something that is out of my control.

    ing about global warming is on the same level as ing about abortion and sexuals.

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    Well? Funny how we were talking about orbital physics the last time around...

    Tree-rings prove climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is now – and world has been cooling for 2,000 years.

    Here’s the article from Nature Climate Change, which says that variations in the Earth’s orbit have 4 times more impact on climate than anthropogenic warming.

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    Addressed in another thread. Theres some great information in that paper but the assertion that you can do a linear extrapolation of global insolation change from one dataset is at a high la ude is fudementaly incorrect. The data in the paper and the data from previous studies do not support that claim.

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    Global warming gloom and doom fanatic cheerleaders, please give me the winning lottery numbers for this week's drawing. I need the money.

    Back to the hipster trend that is global warming, would any of you bet your life on the theory that global warming is only caused by evil humans and has nothing to do with a natural cycle/process of how the Earth works? Are you that confident?

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    I suspect that the authors included that conclusion simply to drum up interest for their paper. You say something like that, and people like Yonivore and Darrin pretty much eat it up. Yonivore has no scientific expertise and I'm quite certain cannot tell me much about anything in the technical paper yet posts it claiming it as correct. If the authors indeed wanted to stir it up a bit, they've succeed and their paper will get more exposure because of it.

    On the other hand, if they had merely pointed out their data was regional in nature and not hashed out by any of the other proxy datasets used for paleoclimate reconstruction, would Yonivore have cared? Absolutely not.

    In the coming year when responses are published in this journal and in others, will Yonivore post them? Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath.

    It is always great to see conformation bias at work. It is a good paper though. I hope their methodology can be expanded upon to produce better proxy datasets in the future.

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    I suspect that the authors included that conclusion simply to drum up interest for their paper. You say something like that, and people like Yonivore and Darrin pretty much eat it up. Yonivore has no scientific expertise and I'm quite certain cannot tell me much about anything in the technical paper yet posts it claiming it as correct. If the authors indeed wanted to stir it up a bit, they've succeed and their paper will get more exposure because of it.
    Because scientists on the proponent side of the argument have never sensationalized or fudged the data to drum up interest and agree with a narrative. [/sarcasm]

    On the other hand, if they had merely pointed out their data was regional in nature and not hashed out by any of the other proxy datasets used for paleoclimate reconstruction, would Yonivore have cared? Absolutely not.
    You forget, Yonivore wasn't painstakingly poring over the millions of papers by the thousands of scientists (I think I read that here) looking for this; it made news.

    In the coming year when responses are published in this journal and in others, will Yonivore post them? Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath.
    I'm sure when that happens, you'll post it. What would be the need?

    It is always great to see conformation bias at work. It is a good paper though. I hope their methodology can be expanded upon to produce better proxy datasets in the future.
    I'm sure they're crushed by your review.

    Confirmation bias, indeed. If it doesn't agree with your narrative, it's wrong.

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    Because scientists on the proponent side of the argument have never sensationalized or fudged the data to drum up interest and agree with a narrative. [/sarcasm]
    I don't even know what "side" these guys are on, but ok?

    You forget, Yonivore wasn't painstakingly poring over the millions of papers by the thousands of scientists (I think I read that here) looking for this; it made news.
    LOL I'm pretty sure no one is doing that. It made the news and you jumped right on it. Lots of papers make the news. If you had seen one that said something that you didn't agree with, you wouldn't have posted it. Don't even try to say otherwise.

    I'm sure when that happens, you'll post it. What would be the need?


    I'm sure they're crushed by your review.

    Confirmation bias, indeed. If it doesn't agree with your narrative, it's wrong.
    I said it was a good paper. I don't particularly understand many of the specifics of the dendrochronology aspects but some people whom I know that do were pretty excited about it.

    I doubt they give two s bout MY review, but there will be responses (the scientists who will write them have already posted their thoughts online - as well as others) and they will likely pay attention to them. Thats how the peer review system works.

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