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    The more important question is why did the Prosecutor feel it necessary to disclose this information?

    I think Corey knows she doesn't have the evidence to convict for 2nd Degree Murder and his hoping to embarrass Zimmerman into a plea agreement; or, to so pollute the jury pool that they will be like canthinkofanything and just vote on their perception of the defendant instead of the facts of the case.

    This isn't evidence about the shooting. It would be barred by any court as 1) irrelevant, 2) prejudicial, and 3) relating to unproven "prior bad acts."

    Not even your criminal record gets entered against you (unless it's directly related to the current crime or undermines your alibi).

    And yet Angela Corey is releasing this. As "disclosure."

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    My guess is the psychology of children who were sexually abused is far more complicated that you're assuming.
    It's irrelevant to the murder charge and the only reason it would be disclosed by the prosecutor is to prejudice a potential juror.

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    The more important question is why did the Prosecutor feel it necessary to disclose this information?

    I think Corey knows she doesn't have the evidence to convict for 2nd Degree Murder and his hoping to embarrass Zimmerman into a plea agreement; or, to so pollute the jury pool that they will be like canthinkofanything and just vote on their perception of the defendant instead of the facts of the case.

    This isn't evidence about the shooting. It would be barred by any court as 1) irrelevant, 2) prejudicial, and 3) relating to unproven "prior bad acts."

    Not even your criminal record gets entered against you (unless it's directly related to the current crime or undermines your alibi).

    And yet Angela Corey is releasing this. As "disclosure."
    It's possible that the prosecution will prove that Travon was dating Zimmerman's female relative, thus providing motive for Zimmerman.

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    None of you guys sexually assaulted a nine year old?

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    It's irrelevant to the murder charge and the only reason it would be disclosed by the prosecutor is to prejudice a potential juror.
    I don't disagree. My point was that Cosmic Cowboy isn't qualified to pass judgement based on the girl's continuing to come back over.

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    I don't disagree. My point was that Cosmic Cowboy isn't qualified to pass judgement based on the girl's continuing to come back over.
    They messed around over a TEN YEAR PERIOD?

    It ALWAYS happened at HIS house after SHE voluntarily went to his house?

    C'mon guys. That story doesn't wash. She claims to have been 16 years old the last time. If she didn't like it then WHY did she go over there? By that time she had plenty of other options to get fingered...Why Zimmerman? If she didn't like him, and didn't want to see him then just don't go over there. Problem solved.

    The logic just doesn't track that she went over to his house time after time after time so he could "force himself" on her against her will time after time after time.

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    I agree.

    They have no case, so they are purposely tainting the jury pool.

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    They messed around over a TEN YEAR PERIOD?

    It ALWAYS happened at HIS house after SHE voluntarily went to his house?

    C'mon guys. That story doesn't wash. She claims to have been 16 years old the last time. If she didn't like it then WHY did she go over there? By that time she had plenty of other options to get fingered...Why Zimmerman? If she didn't like him, and didn't want to see him then just don't go over there. Problem solved.

    The logic just doesn't track.
    She's probably pissed because he moved, and couldn't do her any more, and he probably didn't write.

    See ya Baby... I got mine... now you get yours...

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    I can do it. There are plenty of examples. You just aren't worth the time.
    should be easy if the amount is plentiful.

    go ahead, be specific.

    quit stalling.

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    I agree.

    They have no case, so they are purposely tainting the jury pool.
    you just made this up out of thin air..now you and yoni a jury experts..lol

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    It's possible that the prosecution will prove that Travon was dating Zimmerman's female relative, thus providing motive for Zimmerman.
    I'm pretty sure that would have already been disclosed.

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    Yeah, I find it mighty curious that they were playing doctor, she now SAYS she didn't like it, yet she KEPT GOING BACK TO HIS HOUSE to allegedly get molested again.

    That story stinks like week old dead fish.

    More likely she just wants her 15 minutes of fame.
    you big dummy!/ fred sanford voice, she was a kid the entire time. her parents and zimmerman's family were friends. it wasn't like she drove over on her own free will. when she finally told her parents what happened they confronted the coward.

    Despite a last-minute rush to the courthouse by the defense to keep a witness’ story out of public view, the Duval County State Attorney on Monday released a recorded statement from a woman who said George Zimmerman molested her when they were both children, beginning when she just six years old.


    The families lived in different states, but the incidents took place during annual visits for as long as 10 years, she said.


    The woman, whose name was not released, called investigators just days after the shooting of Trayvon Martin to say that Zimmerman and his family were racists who disliked blacks. As investigators probed weeks later, she made even more damaging allegations.



    The recordings, taped March 20, make clear that the woman called the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office on March 19 with information she wanted to share. She was interviewed by investigators Jim Rick and Jim Post from the state attorney’s office.


    The woman said she is two years younger than Zimmerman. From the statement, it’s clear their families were close. When she was 6 and her family was in the process of moving from Louisiana to Orlando, she and her sister were sent to stay with the Zimmermans at their home in Virginia, she said.



    The children would hang out on sofas under blankets watching TV, and Zimmerman, she claims, would use the opportunity to fondle her and penetrate her with his fingers.
    “That’s my earliest memory of him trying to do things. He would reach under the blankets,” she said. “He was bigger, and stronger and older. I was a kid. I didn’t know any better.”


    Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, filed a motion Monday to put a stop to a judge’s ruling that ordered the release of hundreds of his client’s jailhouse phone calls and the statement from the witness, known in court records as “witness 9.” But his motion apparently did not reach the Duval County state attorney in time, because the statements were posted shortly after 11 a.m. Monday as scheduled.


    O’Mara had been in a furious quest to seal statements from witness 9, saying her allegations were incendiary, irrelevant and would ruin his client’s chance at a fair trial.



    The portion of witness 9’s statement that the Zimmerman family disliked blacks was made public weeks ago, but the defense urged the judge to seal the rest of it. After Seminole Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester ruled to make the statement public, O’Mara asked the judge to reconsider. A second hearing on the matter was held last month, and on Friday the judge ruled again to make the statement public.


    The judge also ordered the release of about 150 of Zimmerman’s jailhouse phone calls, which O’Mara wanted sealed.


    The judge said in his ruling that nothing in Florida’s public-records law allows for such information to be kept secret. By law, evidence the prosecution turns over to the defense — called “discovery” — is public record. There are exceptions for things such as telecommunications records and confessions.



    Lawyers for The Miami Herald, the Orlando Sentinel and other media argued for the release of the calls and the witness statement. At the June 29 hearing, the media attorneys argued against sealing the statements, and Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda said he may call “witness 9” as a rebuttal witness at trial.



    “She certainly would be a rebuttal witness very similar to that in the Sandusky trial, showing that he has a history of violence and manipulation,” said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the parents of the unarmed teenager Zimmerman killed, in reference to the child molestation case involving former Pennsylvania State University coach Jerry Sandusky. “Zimmerman’s mentality is very relevant to this trial.”


    By Monday afternoon, O’Mara had not yet commented on the damaging revelations.



    Reached earlier this month by the Miami Herald, the woman known as witness 9 declined to be interviewed.


    In her statement, the woman said Zimmerman has a captivating personality, but was different behind closed doors with her.


    “He made everyone love him, made everyone laugh and be happy around him,” she said, adding he was like the son her father never had.


    But the alleged abuse continued at least once a year during family visits, she said. She claims he would grope her behind curtains and once, when she was about 12, he allegedly made her rub his penis. She did not say he ever penetrated her.


    He had “a certain look” whenever it was about to happen, she said.
    She said the last incident occurred when she was 16, and the Zimmermans had recently moved to Centrral Florida, closer to where her family lives. She said he lay down next to her with an erection and began kissing her and rubbing her chest, but she got up and ran out. He chased her as far as the front door but no further, she said.


    “I wanted it to just stop. I didn’t want to ever have to tell anyone,” she told the two investigators.


    She said she once tried telling her family, but the vague words she used to explain it apparently went over everybody’s head. In 2005, when she was 20, she told her sister, and her sister told their parents.


    The parents had a meeting with Zimmerman at a restaurant. “He sat down at the end of the booth, said, ‘I’m sorry,’ and got up and walked out,” she said. After that, Zimmerman was never invited to joint family functions.



    She never went to the police, she said, because her mother told her that cases like hers become “he said/she said,” and get dropped. Zimmerman’s parents “pushed it under the rug and pretended it never happened,” she said.


    However, she noted that neither Zimmerman’s parents nor her own ever heard the details of what she says happened. “I told them I didn’t want to talk about it,” she said.


    Witness 9 told authorities that some of her memories on it were fuzzy, but she distinctly recalls telling some childhood friends. She blocked out even happy memories, she said.



    Why then, investigators asked, was she coming forward now?
    “It’s the first time in my life I’m not afraid of him,” she said. “I know nothing can get to me. He can’t get to me. I won’t go to Target and see him there anymore.”

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    None of you guys got naked or played around with anyone of the opposite sex when you were in elementary school?
    dude you got a lil sandusky in you.

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    you just made this up out of thin air..now you and yoni a jury experts..lol
    Okay, genius, what's the reason Corey disclosed this?

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    I have no idea why this information was released, but knee jerk blaming the six year old victim of alleged sexual abuse is pretty disturbing tbh.

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    I have no idea why this information was released, but knee jerk blaming the six year old victim of alleged sexual abuse is pretty disturbing tbh.
    I would agree if the victim were 6. However, the alleged victim is 27-28 years old and waited for an odd time to come forward. Her allegation of racism is weak, evidenced by her inability to point to a single instance of racism on Zimmerman's part. Her allegation that the family is racist is completely irrelevant. WHo cares about the family? Were they there the night Martin was shot?

    Furthermore, the testimony is more than likely inadmissible. It is way too prejudicial, especailly because not only were charges never filed, no complaint was ever filed. This goes to support Zimmerman's attorney's request to have the judge recuse himself. To me, it makes no sense to allow this evidence to come to light and is highly prejudicial if you are pretending to be fair and impartial.

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    this is why victims of rape never come forward, because no matter what noone will believe them. smh. I feel sorry for every child that's been molested/rape. its a lose-lose situation for them. they get raped or molested and they're afraid to tell because the perpetrator has threatened them and they also feel some self guilt for letting it happen. when they finally get enough courage to speak out people like some posters in here will call them liars.

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    I have no idea why this information was released, but knee jerk blaming the six year old victim of alleged sexual abuse is pretty disturbing tbh.
    I'm not blaming anyone head. I'm saying the story as told makes no sense to me.

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    I'm not blaming anyone head. I'm saying the story as told makes no sense to me.
    Your not getting it makes sense.

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    I would agree if the victim were 6. However, the alleged victim is 27-28 years old and waited for an odd time to come forward.
    Why would the passage of time make a person any less a victim?

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    this is why victims of rape never come forward, because no matter what noone will believe them. smh. I feel sorry for every child that's been molested/rape. its a lose-lose situation for them. they get raped or molested and they're afraid to tell because the perpetrator has threatened them and they also feel some self guilt for letting it happen. when they finally get enough courage to speak out people like some posters in here will call them liars.
    GFY

    I don't condone rape.

    Using logic her story simply doesn't make sense. Maybe that's why you don't get it. At any point in time from 6 to 16 she could have said no, and gotten up and left the room. She never said he forced anything on her, just that he was "bigger and stronger". Well, the parents in the rest of the house were bigger and stronger than George. I'm sorry, but the story sounds fabricated to me.

    I don't doubt there is some factual basis to the story but she seems to be spinning it many years later to make herself look like she wasn't a semi-willing participant.

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    Your not getting it makes sense.
    Still butthurt about that summer camp with Sandusky?

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    I don't condone rape.

    Using logic her story simply doesn't make sense. Maybe that's why you don't get it. At any point in time from 6 to 16 she could have said no, and gotten up and left the room. She never said he forced anything on her, just that he was "bigger and stronger". Well, the parents in the rest of the house were bigger and stronger than George. I'm sorry, but the story sounds fabricated to me.

    I don't doubt there is some factual basis to the story but she seems to be spinning it many years later to make herself look like she wasn't a semi-willing participant.
    so, you don't like it when people fabricate a story, right?

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    so, you don't like it when people fabricate a story, right?
    I don't like Zimmerman and I don't like liars. Yes, Zimmerman is a loser and a liar.

    I still say he will be found not guilty of second degree murder.

    I still say I find the testimony of witness #9 highly questionable and self serving.

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    I still say I find the testimony of witness #9 highly questionable and self serving.
    just like george?

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