*** Official Dallas Mavericks 2011-2012 Discussion thread ***

[JamStone]

So I'm doing the math here for Dallas to sign both Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

Dirk makes roughly $21 million next year. Assuming the Mavs amnesty Haywood and have to keep Marion, Marion makes roughly $8.4 million. Beaubois $2.2 million, Jones $1.3 million both guaranteed. Let's say they drop/waive/let walk everybody else they can to clear as much cap space as they possibly can, even trading away any first round picks they have. That's $32.9 million right there. From what I've read the salary cap will remain right around $58 million even for next season. But for argument sake, let's bump that up to a cool $60 million to give Dallas a better chance. So they'd have roughly $27 million to use to go after both Deron and Dwight, even though in reality it would be closer to $25 million.

That means the Mavs would have roughly $13.5 million to use if they split it right down the middle as the starting salary point to go after each guy. With 4.5% annual increases, that works out to about $57.75 million over 4 years for each guy. That means Deron and Dwight would both be leaving about $52 million on the table to sign with Dallas. That's a lot of cheeseburgers.

I guess Dallas can still try to move either Marion or Haywood so they can still use the amnesty clause on the other, which would then really open up more money, but not sure how likely that is. I'm not an expert capologist by any means and I don't know if my numbers are completely accurate, but I wanted to see how financially viable making BOTH moves was going to be. Deron Williams I can see going to Mavs this summer. Both Deron and Dwight, not really so much.

[mavsfan1000]

he could've gotten Shaq in Dallas multiple times

Except for one thing. Shaq hates Dallas.

[Jodelo]

Except for one thing. Shaq hates Dallas.

Shaq wanted to play in Dallas, but it was when he was done. Before he went to the Suns... Cuban said no!

[dude1394]

You all forget that Texas has two top tier coaches, Carlisle and pop. New jersey has.................Avery!

In Avery I trust to bring us both. Those two guys will rue the day if they go play for the little Napoleon.

[stretch]

does bullsfan1000 ever know what the he is talking about?

i think not

[Basketballgirl25]

You all forget that Texas has two top tier coaches, Carlisle and pop. New jersey has.................Avery!

In Avery I trust to bring us both. Those two guys will rue the day if they go play for the little Napoleon.

Avery won't bring you both. Howard will stay in Orlando and Deron will join him there I mean Ryan Anderson is there and that would be a heck of a team, much better then Deron, Dirk and Howard

[endrity]

So I'm doing the math here for Dallas to sign both Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

Dirk makes roughly $21 million next year. Assuming the Mavs amnesty Haywood and have to keep Marion, Marion makes roughly $8.4 million. Beaubois $2.2 million, Jones $1.3 million both guaranteed. Let's say they drop/waive/let walk everybody else they can to clear as much cap space as they possibly can, even trading away any first round picks they have. That's $32.9 million right there. From what I've read the salary cap will remain right around $58 million even for next season. But for argument sake, let's bump that up to a cool $60 million to give Dallas a better chance. So they'd have roughly $27 million to use to go after both Deron and Dwight, even though in reality it would be closer to $25 million.

That means the Mavs would have roughly $13.5 million to use if they split it right down the middle as the starting salary point to go after each guy. With 4.5% annual increases, that works out to about $57.75 million over 4 years for each guy. That means Deron and Dwight would both be leaving about $52 million on the table to sign with Dallas. That's a lot of cheeseburgers.

I guess Dallas can still try to move either Marion or Haywood so they can still use the amnesty clause on the other, which would then really open up more money, but not sure how likely that is. I'm not an expert capologist by any means and I don't know if my numbers are completely accurate, but I wanted to see how financially viable making BOTH moves was going to be. Deron Williams I can see going to Mavs this summer. Both Deron and Dwight, not really so much.

Well no it's not possible without Marion being released as well somehow. Plus if those two come I think they will ask Dirk to take a paycut, and probably he would do it as well just like the three stars in Miami did. So that sends us to about 16 per year as starting point. That's a lot better.

[JamStone]

Well no it's not possible without Marion being released as well somehow. Plus if those two come I think they will ask Dirk to take a paycut, and probably he would do it as well just like the three stars in Miami did. So that sends us to about 16 per year as starting point. That's a lot better.

Pretty sure Marion's salary is guaranteed next season, or are you suggesting a team would actually trade for Marion? I don't see it. And at least under the last CBA, restructuring contracts was not allowed. Is there a change in this new CBA that allows that? Dirk's contract runs through 2014, and I don't believe there are any opt-outs. I think it's fully guaranteed. So I don't see how Dirk takes a paycut.

[DPG21920]

Pretty sure Marion's salary is guaranteed next season, or are you suggesting a team would actually trade for Marion? I don't see it. And at least under the last CBA, restructuring contracts was not allowed. Is there a change in this new CBA that allows that? Dirk's contract runs through 2014, and I don't believe there are any opt-outs. I think it's fully guaranteed. So I don't see how Dirk takes a paycut.

Jam is correct here on both accounts which is why I originally stated what I did. Dirk can't restructure his deal. As things stand Dallas cannot offer D&D the money NJ can. Dallas would have to move Marion for sure to even approach that and it's not easy despite how good he's playing and he's fully guaranteed. I think if they really wanted to they could dump Marion though.

Thats why I said NJ easily has the edge via trade and while Dallas's chances go up if they hit FA, NJ still has the edge. It's not apples to apples in FA right now for NJ and DAL. Even if it was financially, Dallas would be gutted while NJ would not.

[m>s]

amnesty the out of contract and we'll only have two big contracts (marion & dirk) come the end of season, i think there'll be enough room for two max contracts starting somewhere 13-15 m/yr for the first season. with Kidd/JET resigned for vet min, we ING STACKED!!!

TRIPLE D ING DYNASTY, MUTHA ERS!!!

[irishock]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not getting either DH12 or Deron Williams. It's blatantly obvious the two will team up in Brooklyn either via trade or FA signing. Dwight doesn't give two s about leaving millions on the table. His endorsement contracts outweighs his NBA contract .

Dallas should pursue maybe Nash or go into rebuild mode with Dirk declining

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Cuban got this in the bag. Not worried at all

[pass1st]

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/poll.php?d...ts&pollid=7739

[DPG21920]

Getting Deron Williams, could potentially add another 2-3 years of effective play to Dirk's career. His ability to run the pick and roll/pop, and score on his own (unlike Kidd) will create all kinds of open looks for Dirk, and he will be able to get shots like he did back when he played with Nash.

Well, we certainly hope that will come true... I'm pretty confident in D-Will coming here. Dwight I have no idea what to expect though...

I think if Deron comes here, Dwight probably will too. Going to play with your friends is all the rage these days ever since the trio did it, now everyone else is forced to counter if they want to win.

Something of note for Mav fans

So basically you were wrong again.

I have said since the beginning that Dallas's only real shot at Deron/Dwight was if they reach FA. I still maintain they should have resigned Tyson, made another run & then salary dumped him in the off season.

Even if they get to FA I don't agree Dallas is a favorite like the writer said. If they hit FA Dallas has a decent shot but NJ will have more money to offer, better young talent because they didn't have to trade (Brook Lopez, Marshon Brooks, a great shooter in Morrow, Damion James...) and what appears to be a top flight pick in a deep draft.

If NJ is attractive to Dwight after a trade is done like he said, it has to be even more attractive option if they don't gut the team to get him.

Dallas definitely has a shot at both if they make it to FA, but as the article states, it doesn't seem likely Orlando lets him walk for nothing.

^It's still more of a possibility than you were initially willing to admit. Where's mono at he knows.

Another intersting thread about the thinking now that we have seen things unfold.

[mavs>spurs]

if dwight wasn't an idiot and opted in they'd both be in dallas

[DPG21920]

Deron is only testing free agency as a formality at this point due to the new CBA. Even if he was 100% sure he was going to stay with the Nets he would still "make it to free agency" because he can sign a larger contract that way.

Jam is correct here on both accounts which is why I originally stated what I did. Dirk can't restructure his deal. As things stand Dallas cannot offer D&D the money NJ can. Dallas would have to move Marion for sure to even approach that and it's not easy despite how good he's playing and he's fully guaranteed. I think if they really wanted to they could dump Marion though.

Thats why I said NJ easily has the edge via trade and while Dallas's chances go up if they hit FA, NJ still has the edge. It's not apples to apples in FA right now for NJ and DAL. Even if it was financially, Dallas would be gutted while NJ would not.

[DPG21920]

if dwight wasn't an idiot and opted in they'd both be in dallas

So you were wrong again

[tesseractive]

if dwight wasn't an idiot and opted in they'd both be in dallas

Or Brooklyn. Deron never seemed that anxious to move.

[mavs>spurs]

if dwight wasn't an idiot and opted back in they'd both be in dallas

as it looked like they weren't going to get to play together either way, and dallas was looking ty at the time, deron chose NJ which is understandable.

[mavs>spurs]

also in those quotes i didn't say he would for sure be in dallas, i said it was a possibility.

and it was a possibility, it just didn't happen because dwight is an idiot.

[DPG21920]

Ok - but interesting to look back at all the info floating around and what actually happened. It's all well and good to tell people they are wrong when getting excited, but when the smoke clears it's really been the same story - money usually wins out.

[Clipper Nation]

No, if Dwight didn't opt in, he and Deron would be in Brooklyn right now.....

[DPG21920]

also in those quotes i didn't say he would for sure be in dallas, i said it was a possibility.

and it was a possibility, it just didn't happen because dwight is an idiot.

So how was I wrong back then like you said and I guess you set yourself up to cover all of your basis so you couldn't be wrong (even though you claimed victory towards me back then)

[DPG21920]

^It's still more of a possibility than you were initially willing to admit. Where's mono at he knows.

Really was never a realistic possibility due to the things we spoke about (but you ignored).

[mavs>spurs]

because you were acting like it wasn't a remote possibility and it was, it just didn't work out

any player would love to play for Cuban