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  1. #351
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    Really was never a realistic possibility due to the things we spoke about (but you ignored).
    if dwight just opts out like he has half a brain, they are both free to sign where they choose

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    1. Dallas can offer both Dwight and Dwill max FA contracts if they work things right. They obviously couldn't offer Dwill as much as NJ can, but they can offer him as much as any other team.
    2. Dirk+Dwight+Dwill is enough talent.
    3. a Cuban-type owner? I wish Dallas had one of does!
    NJ has more to offer in a trade than Dallas. While no superstars Lopez isn't crap and morrow & brooks are appealing young players. Their ability to absorb bad contracts helps to (although Dallas has some of that aspect too).

    I'm already on record saying I think he will be traded to the Nets. I also think NJ is ahead of Dallas in FA.

    IMO if Dwight is traded its: NJ/LA/DAL
    If he hits FA: NJ/DAl
    Dwight has made it known he prefers NJ. If he hits FA it will be NJ because it will be Dwight/Deron/Lopez/Brooks/Morrow/James + a heck of a first round pick in a deep draft.

    If Dwight is traded to NJ they only do so knowing he will sign with them. So either way, especially with Dwight himself saying he prefers NJ, NJ appears to be the more desirable spot. You seem to place way to much emphasis on "world class organizations" and the impact on FA decisions. Spurs are the cream of the crop of world class organizations, have 4 les & and had a superior player to Dirk and still couldn't land free agents. It's about money first and foremost and then team second. Mavs can't offer both Dwight and Deron full contracts. They can get close but D&D will have to leave money on the table to sign with Dallas; that's not the case in NJ. Also Dallas will be capped out and depleted, NJ will still have good talent and a great draft pick.

    If its via trade, the point is moot, Dallas has no real shot then and Orlando likely isnt letting Dwight walk for nothing. They are likely not going to trade him to LA due to perception as well unless it's a no brainer lIke Pau AND Bynum. Dallas should hope for ORL to trade with LA because that gets them at least Deron.
    ETO not knowing about Dallas's ability to offer contracts. Under no cir stances could Dallas offer both Dwight/Deron max contracts

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    if dwight just opts out like he has half a brain, they are both free to sign where they choose
    That doesn't make it likely like you saidy or me wrong (like you also said). I explained why and now you are trying to set yourself up so that no matter what you aren't wrong

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    because you were acting like it wasn't a remote possibility and it was, it just didn't work out

    any player would love to play for Cuban
    It really wasn't a possibility to get both in the real world. Turned out I was correct (along with other level headed posters who took a step back to assess the reality of the situation).

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    That doesn't make it likely like you saidy or me wrong (like you also said). I explained why and now you are trying to set yourself up so that no matter what you aren't wrong
    i said it was a possibility

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    You said I was wrong too.

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    for acting like it wasn't even a remote possibility yes. dwight opting in then wanting back out was the re edness that no one saw coming. it made things difficult.

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    So you still contend I was wrong and you weren't?

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    You keep making stuff up - Even if Dwight didn't opt in, it wasn't likely at all he ends up with Dallas with Deron. At all. You are just making that up.

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    So you still contend I was wrong and you weren't?
    Yes because you were acting like it wasn't even a remote possibility and I felt it was up until Dwight acted like an idiot and opted back in. The two had been alluding to teaming up in Dallas for some time now, Deron is from here, and they still have Dirk. The biggest kicker of all is that any player would want to play for an owner like Cuban.

    Deron himself even said that even WITHOUT dwight, he was leaning towards dallas until the meeting where cuban didn't even show up. He said that is when he decided to stay in New Jersey. So yes I don't think it's ridiculous to say that there was a solid possibility of them teaming up in Dallas. I never said it would for sure happen, I didn't take anywhere near that solid of a stance. I said it could happen. And I believe there was a strong chance it does of Dwight wasn't such a dumb monkey. It's just my opinion you don't have to agree.

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    ok

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    Yeah there was a radio interview where deron said he was leaning Dallas before the meeting and was disappointed when Mark didn't show up. I guess we really ed up at that meeting for him to change his mind. The joe Johnson trade didn't help our chances either

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    Yeah that interview he said he was planning on choosing Dallas, then the Cuban no-show plus Brooklyn getting Joe Johnson and promising to make a run at Dwight Howard basically changed his mind.

    lol DPG was right for the wrong reasons, Mavs fans were wrong for the right reasons.

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    Yeah that interview he said he was planning on choosing Dallas, then the Cuban no-show plus Brooklyn getting Joe Johnson and promising to make a run at Dwight Howard basically changed his mind.

    lol DPG was right for the wrong reasons, Mavs fans were wrong for the right reasons.
    No - even if they get Deron - getting Dwight too is not a realistic possibility. Saying Deron was leaning towards Dallas but the Cuban no show played a role.

    1) If Cuban really thought it was possible to get Deron/Dwight - you don't think he would have been there if he placed importance on it?

    2) I'm sure the fact NJ could offer him 100M and Dallas could offer him ~75M had no bearing on the choice

    Intersting too look back at who said what and how it unfolded. Even more interesting to see these comments

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    Maybe he is just playing with the media then but he actually said he was "leaning towards Dallas prior to the meeting" and that he didn't like how Cuban was a no show. Who knows what happens of Cuban does show up instead of filmin his stupid ass show?

    It's all a moot point now though, we should be looking forward to OJ Mayo and how he plays compared to Danny Green

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    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...-brooklyn-nets

    This is a transcript of the interview. Says absolutely nothing about Cuban. Mentions Joe Johnson, but I guess Mav fan wasn't wrong about wanting to play with Dirk/for Cuban if he choose Joe F*cking Johnson. Oh yea, that boat load of extra money also played a role.

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    Maybe he is just playing with the media then but he actually said he was "leaning towards Dallas prior to the meeting" and that he didn't like how Cuban was a no show. Who knows what happens of Cuban does show up instead of filmin his stupid ass show?

    It's all a moot point now though, we should be looking forward to OJ Mayo and how he plays compared to Danny Green
    You know the difference in this and that? I have a chance to be right

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    Point is, Mav fan didnt have an understanding of the rules/reality. They kept basing their premise off the fact Dallas could offer "both Dwight and Deron max contracts". That was never possible and poked a giant hole in that theory.

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    zero chance of getting both. 50/50 of getting one.
    Im with my ninja, DPG on this one.
    Of course the 3D's (Dirk, Dwight, Derron) is POSSIBLE DPG is just pointing out the fact it is NOT probable.

    The chance to open Brooklyn with Dwill Brooks and a lottery pick filling out the roster. Heck even if they keep that mutt Kris that is a still solid team with the chance to flip Lopez for something special.

    If anything, (I know the Nets are not the Knicks), the rise and hype on Lin has to make Brooklyn even more appealing. The fans are chanting his name and the media is eating up a talented but flawed Knick squad. This nets team would be better.

    If i was Otis as much as I hate the thought of sending him to the Lakers I would send him West as long as I get to dump a contract. Heck I may even ask for both bigs and send Ryan anderson as long as they eat turk's contract too.

    As a Laker fan I think both is too high ...but I know we cant ring as currently built.
    They got it.

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    As the season goes on, I am sure the Dwight Howard saga will be very interesting to the Mavs. They have to be praying he truly hits FA (not gets traded to a team he agrees to resign with, goes to FA just as a formality...).

    Looking back at some of the comments, it's not always easy to see the big picture, especially when you don't know all the details, so it's hard to imagine being wrong in the moment (Cuban with his plan and his thinking before this all played out). What is strange is seeing you are wrong and not admitting it like some posters/GM's, but luckily Cubes is smarter and did not panic.

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    [/I]Tyson_Chandler;5665542]first intelligent thing you've posted, well said

    obviously people are going to hate and be in denial because of the opportunity we have in front of us, but I'd say deron/dwight to dallas is as likely a scenario as any.
    because you were acting like it wasn't a remote possibility and it was, it just didn't work out

    any player would love to play for Cuban
    Does anyone think Deron/Dwight to Dallas was just as likely. I don't see it the same way so I was wondering what other smart posters thought.

    Even though Deron wouldn't love to play for Cuban, considering he had his chance, do other smart posters think any player would love to play for Cuban because I don't see it that way.

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    I mean, Deron would have loved to play for Cuban (and with Dirk) even though he choose not to. Joe Johnson is very appealing.

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    not sure about the personal charm of cuban but dallas would be a more favorable choice if they could offer him equal amount of money, no state tax if he played for dallas, for example. mavs just got screwed by the new CBA. dudes should've realized it was extremely difficult to lure big-name FAs to join your team and leave 30m on the table tbh

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    Oh, thanks Latarian. So you are saying that those posters acting like it was likely and saying the Mavs could offer both Deron and Dwight max contracts really didn't know what they were talking about?

    That's a good point - knowing the CBA and how it works is a great way to go about givng a basketball opinion.

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    Yeah there was a radio interview where deron said he was leaning Dallas before the meeting and was disappointed when Mark didn't show up. I guess we really ed up at that meeting for him to change his mind. The joe Johnson trade didn't help our chances either
    $26 mil on the table.

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