When seconds count...

[ChumpDumper]

As it turns out (and as really incredibly bad as it is to say this), IF this had to happen, this was probably the best possible outcome.

If Yoni "Regan Wayne Christ" vore had been there and taken this guy out... well his apartment would have had an extremely high probability of blowing up.

Holmes would have confessed the booby traps to yoni with his dying breath after being shot in both eyes by him and mingus after that Navy SEAL shined a flashlight in his face.

[cantthinkofanything]

People describe him walking calmly up the aisle shooting those cowering behind the seats.

At the very least, if someone had a CC, they would have at least had a better chance at protecting themselves.

[ElNono]

The whole thing is moot though... nobody is taking guns away from anybody...

[Drachen]

I'm not sure the problem is with assault rifles is it? He cold have killed just as many with a couple of high capacity pistols. I've been against any kind of additional gun control period but if something had to be done, I wouldn't be too upset about limiting magazine capacity to 10.

Yeah, that is why I had my first instinct, but because I don't have to make a quick decision (no fight or flight), I can engage my prefrontal cortex and try to figure it out. A 10 shot clip and NO modification hardware sounds good, but we shall see.

edit: the sarcasm wasn't directed at you (or anyone in particular).

[vy65]

It's just as silly to presume that the situation would've unfolded any different should an armed civilian with proper training attempted to end Holmes rampage.

We're all guessing here, you included.

But it'd happen just like the movies ...

[Yonivore]

Here's an instructive video for you z0sa and, no it doesn't correlate to the Aurora shooting. I merely suggest it shows a CHL carrier can act quickly, catch a shooter off guard, and terminate a situation -- even at 71 years of age.

See if you can pick him out before he starts shooting. The robbers certainly didn't.

Oh yeah, no one other than the robbers were injured -- and he shot both of them.

[z0sa]

Not to mention that by the time the theater cleared, the massive damage is already done.

Exactly. I'm on Yoni's side of the table, technically, but I'm a realist - and the AR wielding gunman needs only a short burst to end my life, should he realize I'm sticking around.

People describe him walking calmly up the aisle shooting those cowering behind the seats.

There was time.


Or not. More people weren't shot than were.

Hey, if someone could have gone special forces on his ass, I'd have been all for it. , crawl up and slit his throat for all I care, but that wouldn't have stopped him doing the majority or all of his damage.

[ElNono]

But it'd happen just like the movies ...

Nope. In the movies, Batman jumps off the screen and kills that ... get it right.

[vy65]

TBH I'd like to see Yoni patrolling the Tokyo subway to put a check on Japanese rape culture

[cantthinkofanything]

Yeah, that is why I had my first instinct, but because I don't have to make a quick decision (no fight or flight), I can engage my prefrontal cortex and try to figure it out. A 10 shot clip and NO modification hardware sounds good, but we shall see.

edit: the sarcasm wasn't directed at you (or anyone in particular).

no...I got you. I misread your earlier post anyway.

[vy65]

lol

Everything I learned about self-defense I learned from Youtube

[Yonivore]

I'm not sure the problem is with assault rifles is it? He cold have killed just as many with a couple of high capacity pistols. I've been against any kind of additional gun control period but if something had to be done, I wouldn't be too upset about limiting magazine capacity to 10.

Magazine technology isn't rocket science. There are homemade magazines that will hold dozens of rounds.

[Drachen]

Nope. In the movies, Batman jumps off the screen and kills that ... get it right.

Last Action Hero?

[ElNono]

Does Bruce Wayne has a CCL?

[Yonivore]

Exactly. I'm on Yoni's side of the table, technically, but I'm a realist - and the AR wielding gunman needs only a short burst to end my life, should he realize I'm sticking around.

Burst? It wasn't an automatic weapon. He still had to pull the trigger on each round. Now who's influenced by the movies.

Hey, if someone could have gone special forces on his ass, I'd have been all for it. , crawl up and slit his throat for all I care, but that wouldn't have stopped him doing the majority or all of his damage.

Depends on how early that intervention occurs.

[z0sa]

Burst? It wasn't an automatic weapon. He still had to pull the trigger on each round. Now who's influenced by the movies.

What's the big difference between pulling a trigger once or twice?

Depends on how early that intervention occurs.

True.

[cantthinkofanything]

Magazine technology isn't rocket science. There are homemade magazines that will hold dozens of rounds.

no ?

I hear there are lots of things you can make at home that are illegal.

[Yonivore]

What's the big difference between pulling a trigger once or twice?

Quite a bit when your moving your muzzle from target to target instead of holding down the trigger and sweeping the theater.

[clambake]

i hope the hero was wearing a mask......or regularly showers with pepper spray.

[z0sa]

Quite a bit when your moving your muzzle from target to target instead of holding down the trigger and sweeping the theater.

I mean in terms of aiming at me specifically.

[Yonivore]

no ?

I hear there are lots of things you can make at home that are illegal.

So, what would be the point in making them illegal if the result is going to be law-abiding citizens being restricted from having them while criminals will continue to possess them?

[ElNono]

What's the big difference between pulling a trigger once or twice?

Because the first thing you think when a lunatic opens fire on a crowded theater is... "wait, is that only a semi-automatic gun? let me get my handgun out"

[clambake]

and if you love your family enough, you'll always have a mask and/or shower regularly with pepper spray.

[Yonivore]

I mean in terms of aiming at me specifically.

Again, one bullet to a non-lethal part of your body is more survivable than a barrage of bullets grouped in the same spot.

The firing rate between a semi-automatic and automatic weapon is the difference between one bullet wound and six, or more.

[Yonivore]

Because the first thing you think when a lunatic opens fire on a crowded theater is... "wait, is that only a semi-automatic gun? let me get my handgun out"

For someone that's adequately trained, perhaps it is.

Say, would you have been alright with an off-duty officer, who happened to be at the movie with his family, using his concealed weapon to take the shooter out?