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Is this what happens in your fantasy? You draw a bead and he runs away with you saving the day?
Why argue semantics? The premise was that I had to wait for a clear shot. By the time I have a clear shot, he's had ample chance to observe my position and fire at will.
Like I said, maybe I could go special forces and hide my position and hope that he doesn't shoot in my general direction . . . but then again, he causes major damage.
Is this what happens in your fantasy? You draw a bead and he runs away with you saving the day?
I need more info about this officer. Would that off-duty officer be sane enough to know not to open fire on a moving, frenzied crowd?
Sure, I'm also fine with business owners' saying keep your guns out of here.
Dude, you don't get it. EVERYONE HERE would have loved if someone would have recognized the situation and taken him out even before the event started whether by gun, knife, hammer, shiv, or club. Everyone. The argument is that a person with a gun, or two, or 75 had a much higher probability of making things worse in a chaotic crowded theater filled with two canisters of tear gas and no lights.
Are you glued to the spot?
Again, more people weren't shot than were. Holmes isn't omnipotent and he certainly doesn't have the capability of seeing all places at all times.
As I keep repeating, according to witnesses, his attention was drawn to those fleeing to the exits and those on the floor between seats -- as he walked past the aisles.
Your presumption is he's even noticed you when, odds are, he hasn't...unless, of course, you're running for an exit or on the floor between seats as he walked by.
I understand that and, I simply disagree.
The 71 year-old in the internet cafe didn't make it worse.
Jeanne Assam didn't make it worse.
Give me an example of where a CHL carrier made it worse.
I don't think Yoni's ever been to the movies
Empty Casino =/= packed movie theater
Not necessarily, but the same area? Yes, I would be. IMHO, in this case, waiting for a good shot means staying low, still and waiting for your area to clear of innocents before aiming and firing decisively - not scrambling around looking for a shot and drawing attention to yourself while possibly impeding the escape of others.
Zimmerman
Yeah, that really looked like a dark, crowded theater...
You're right, there were only 30 potential victims in a smaller area than the theater. They were still fish in a barrel.
Even then, the robbers were unable to identify and respond to a threat before being shot. How many more people did Holmes have to keep an eye on?
Tell me, if there had been a security camera pointed at the spot where Holmes entered and started shooting, how crowded would that theater have appeared?
I think we've exhausted the arguments. In fact, the trolls are starting to circle the pool.
Houston Police confirm it was a customer with a concealed handgun license who accidentally shot and killed a store clerk. The CHL holder was trying to protect Tyrza Smith, 26, from armed robbers, but something went terribly wrong and she was killed.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18661869/chl
I'll give him a C for courage, though.
Depends on what you believe. That's another thread.
If this is the off-duty officer that's in the theater with me, I better run and run fast...
I believe Martin didn't deserve death.
Specifically dealing with magazines, I just don't think many would-be mass murderers are going to make their own. While it's not rocket science, it's not something that anyone can do with precision. Unless I'm an expert, I'd rather have a 10 round factory mag than some 30 round mag that I made at home myself.
Nor did Zimmerman.
Either way, nothing was made worse -- it appears one or the other was going to be killed. It's a wash in the "CHL-carrier-made-it-worse" category.
If Zimmerman wasn't carrying, would Martin have skittled him to death?
Didn't this guy make homemade tear gas and bombs and ?
Only if you make them from scratch. Bigger spring, a little tack welding and two 10-round magazines are now a 20-round magazine. These aren't complicated pieces of machinery -- particularly of you preserve the tolerance-requiring aspects intact.
I agree, so would I. Actually, I'd rather have 3 10-round magazines than some 30 round mag I made at home. But, truth be told, if I saw the need for 30 rounds, I'd rather have a 30 round manufactured magazine.
He might have beat him to death. It can be done -- particularly when you're bashing their head on a concrete slab. Or, he could have just choked him to death.
Yeah...this guy did. But I have no doubt that most wouldn't begin to know how.
again...not incredibly complicated but enough so that some would not try it.
As I said, I don't support any more gun control laws. Reason being that I don't think it would end at magazines. But on its own, I don't see much harm in restricting magazine capacity.
Or Zimmerman wouldn't have had the balls to get out his car to begin with.
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