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[vander]

And the weak schedule is a result of... wait for it.... politics! The big boys all love to hold the schedule over Boise State, but very few have the balls to put forth a non-insulting, serious offer that doesn't treat a 2-time BCS bowl winner like an FCS team, tbh...

Why do they do it? Keeping out more compe ion from the big stage, that's why....

ugh, there are plenty of BCS teams out there that would and have played BSU, BSU's OoC schedule is as good as BSU want's it to be.

and it's the BCS that has put BSU on the big stage, giving them high rankings and BCS games despite the weak schedule.

[Vito Corleone]

Totally wrong.

Do I really need to make that long long list of sprinters/long jumper/hurdlers who have played in the SEC? And if you follow the college game at all you have heard..."the big guys can run in the SEC"...right?

The SEC has has soooooooooooooooooooooo many speedy players far more than any other conference it's not even close. Olympians like Jeff Demps.

And no it's not about politics when it comes to Boise/TCU it's about playing a weak schedule.

LOL have you seen the number of sprinters that have come from FSU, Miami, UCLA and USC? Have you seen the Sprinters from Texas, did you not notice we had a football player in these last Olympics. Have you not seen the Sprinters from Tech and Baylor who have made the Olympics?

The best high school track programs in the country are in Texas. Texas owns track and field and many of those kids go on to play football with schools in this state.

I haven't even mentioned U of H which is usually one of the fastest schools in the country.

And yes it is about Politics. You will never see a non-BCS conf school playing for the MNC under the current system. If the super conf did come into affect you would see never see a non super conf school play for the MNC.

The whole reason for the BCS was to make more money for the major conferences the only reason they made other school eligible was to prevent public backlash and stop any kind of law suit.

Your delusional if you think any WAC, MWC or CUSA school will ever be allowed to play for a championship.

[Vito Corleone]

Then what is the difference between the SEC and these other conferences you mentioned?

No offense, but the difference is the SEC is the dumbest set of schools (not incuding Vandy) in the country. There are many kids that will never get into a Pac 10 or B1G school or even an ACC school that are getting into schools like LSU bama Auburn Arkansas ect. Outside of Vandy, Aggsy is coming into the SEC as the richest school with the highest educational reputation.

You want to know why the SEC is so good, they take re s.

Don't worry, it wasn't too long ago Nebraska was taking the same kids and turning out 3 MNC's in a 5 year time span.

[symple19]

No offense, but the difference is the SEC is the dumbest set of schools (not incuding Vandy) in the country. There are many kids that will never get into a Pac 10 or B1G school or even an ACC school that are getting into schools like LSU bama Auburn Arkansas ect. Outside of Vandy, Aggsy is coming into the SEC as the richest school with the highest educational reputation.

You want to know why the SEC is so good, they take re s.

Don't worry, it wasn't too long ago Nebraska was taking the same kids and turning out 3 MNC's in a 5 year time span.

no offense taken. Never said the SEC was great academically. Aggy and Mizzou will improve that, though

However, I would suggest you to go to rivals/scout/etc and take a good look at who is offering the "top" recruits in the country. You'll find that Big10/Pac-10 schools are regularly offering the same kids who choose to go to the SEC

[Vito Corleone]

You will also notice that Rivals and Scout take academics into account when they rank their kids. Aggsy have a kid right now committed that is easily one of the top athletes in the country. He will never see Aggsyland next year because he so bad academically it is 100% likely he will go juco.

Cam Newton for as good as he was, had to go Juco before he could get into the SEC. One of the big reasons the SEC schools would oversign so often was because they knew many of the kids they signed would never make it to campus. They wanted to be ahead of the game when that kid got his grades up at some juco.

Believe me it's not just the Southern states, there are lots and lots of kids right here in Texas that UT will never go after because they know those kids will never make it in. Why waste your time on a dumbass when you can get a kid of equal talent that does care about going to class.

I know the next few posters are going to make some VY jokes about his Wonderlick scores. But the truth is Vince always did well in class because he never missed and acted like a student while here. There was never a question of will he make the grades to stay eligible. We have had lots of kids that didn't and ended up transfering because they didn't including a few kids we were depending on.

[symple19]

You will also notice that Rivals and Scout take academics into account when they rank their kids. Aggsy have a kid right now committed that is easily one of the top athletes in the country. He will never see Aggsyland next year because he so bad academically it is 100% likely he will go juco.

Cam Newton for as good as he was, had to go Juco before he could get into the SEC. One of the big reasons the SEC schools would oversign so often was because they knew many of the kids they signed would never make it to campus. They wanted to be ahead of the game when that kid got his grades up at some juco.

Believe me it's not just the Southern states, there are lots and lots of kids right here in Texas that UT will never go after because they know those kids will never make it in. Why waste your time on a dumbass when you can get a kid of equal talent that does care about going to class.

I know the next few posters are going to make some VY jokes about his Wonderlick scores. But the truth is Vince always did well in class because he never missed and acted like a student while here. There was never a question of will he make the grades to stay eligible. We have had lots of kids that didn't and ended up transfering because they didn't including a few kids we were depending on.

Cam went to Florida and backed up teabag for a year before he had to go to JUCO (dumbass had a stolen laptop) UF was the second best school academically after vandy before the new kids showed up.

Bama is the worst ever for oversigning...but yeah, it's been a big problem in the SEC. Auburn does much better than most. IIRC, every player they signed last year qualified and is in camp

[symple19]

Unless you're Notre Dame, Stanford, Vandy, or a handful of other elite academic schools, if you get the test score (17, right?) you're gonna get in

I don't buy the academic argument at all.

IMO, the real difference is that the SEC has always put the best athletes on the defensive side of the ball...And yes, there is more speed on defense in the SEC than there generally is in other conferences...Obviously, the SEC doesn't really stand out offensively, with the possible exception of Arkansas.

So basically, the SEC has more talent on the defensive side than anywhere else. Every NC winner the SEC has put forth has been dominant defensively, while shutting down what is usually one of the best offenses in the nation.

[The Reckoning]

lame that anytime theres a thread about college football as a whole it always goes down to conference smack

cant wait until playoffs. maybe that will put a bit of individuality back in college football instead of konference krews.

(yes i realize my jab at first was conference related, but moreso a direct hit at aggie using the conference platform to itself on the ncaa scene.)

[The Reckoning]

As if the 4-team playoff won't just feature 3 SEC schools and a token PAC or Big 12 sacrificial lamb, tbh...

BSU's chance will come when the superconferences form and the PAC or Big 12 decide to "take a risk" on one of the best-run programs in the nation, tbh....

ask vander...bsu is all for the bcs because as long as it remains undefeated in the powder puff league, it will remain on the national scene as a "bcs buster." the bcs system made bsu through and through.

[Vito Corleone]

Unless you're Notre Dame, Stanford, Vandy, or a handful of other elite academic schools, if you get the test score (17, right?) you're gonna get in

I don't buy the academic argument at all.

IMO, the real difference is that the SEC has always put the best athletes on the defensive side of the ball...And yes, there is more speed on defense in the SEC than there generally is in other conferences...Obviously, the SEC doesn't really stand out offensively, with the possible exception of Arkansas.

So basically, the SEC has more talent on the defensive side than anywhere else. Every NC winner the SEC has put forth has been dominant defensively, while shutting down what is usually one of the best offenses in the nation.

There are a lot more academic schools than you think.

Try Michigan, Purdue, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Maryland, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Penn State (insert Joker here), Wisconsin, feKal, Washington, UCLA, USC, Baylor, SMU, TCU, BYU, Utah, and Even those Moron's in College Station. I didn't even mention Texas who has more than proven over the years it will not even attempt to sign guys that are perceived as a grade risk.

There are lots and lots of kids that wanted to go to Texas that were really awesome and fast football players that Texas refused to recruit.

The big boys all recruit speed and big fast kids that can play at every position. Are you trying to say that SEC kids are faster than USC? Have you seen the level of athletes USC puts in the NFL? Texas and Miami have more kids in the NFL than any other schools, and Texas has a really good record against the SEC with only 3 loses since Mack took over.

If I had to pick the real reason why the SEC has won the championship so many times these are the ones I'd pick.

1. Win at all cost mentality that pervades the SEC schools, they will cheat, take kids that have no business in school (basically anyone from the state of Mississippi), and do whatever it takes to be good at football.

2. High school track and field. Kids in the south have all winter, spring and summer to run track, something not available to kids in the northern states.

3. Over abundance of stupid black kids with no other way out of the ghetto than football.

4. Kids in the south are fed a diet of football since they turn 4 years old. Most kids know more about football than reading. Not so in the North or the West. East coast is that way with basketball.

I won't lie, it works to the advantage of Texas more so than any other school because we have had our pick of the richest football state than any other state in the US, including Cal and Florida.

The biggest reason the SEC is winning championships is that it runs in cycles. Where were the SEC schools in the 90's and early 2000's Mostly getting their asses handed to them by other schools.

[dirk4mvp]

Chances Vito Corleone went to UT - starting at 0%

[symple19]

Chances Vito Corleone went to UT - starting at 0%

goes in cycles, doancha know?

[symple19]

lame that anytime theres a thread about college football as a whole it always goes down to conference smack

cant wait until playoffs. maybe that will put a bit of individuality back in college football instead of konference krews.

(yes i realize my jab at first was conference related, but moreso a direct hit at aggie using the conference platform to itself on the ncaa scene.)

would you feel better if people actually paid attention to what you had to say?

lol, not gonna happen. Your elders have already made every tired argument you may have to offer. So why not just end your own life? it may be your best option, since nobody cares one way or another

[symple19]

lame that anytime theres a thread about college football as a whole it always goes down to conference smack

cant wait until playoffs. maybe that will put a bit of individuality back in college football instead of konference krews.

(yes i realize my jab at first was conference related, but moreso a direct hit at aggie using the conference platform to itself on the ncaa scene.)

do you have a take? Or do you just scoff like the rest of your impotent crew does??

[symple19]

lemmee guess. you're the smart one who never gets laid, right?


are you mad that the SEC is better than your ty school at football?

[symple19]

are your parents kool with your expenditures while you're over there?

[symple19]

or...more likely..you're just another crying got who despises the SEC because we dominate your sorry ass in football...correct?

[symple19]

aren't you glad that everyone knows that you're a little ...that your fancy school sucks at football?

[symple19]

lmao....vito corleone is very upset that SEC schools are better than you..... do you knash your teeth because your university is a joke?

[The Reckoning]

would you feel better if people actually paid attention to what you had to say?

lol, not gonna happen. Your elders have already made every tired argument you may have to offer. So why not just end your own life? it may be your best option, since nobody cares one way or another

good luck with that quitting smoking thing

[The Reckoning]

and my scoff was directed toward both sides, i agreed that the argument was tired. i really dont care for the big 12, sec, pac 10, big 10, whatever. all conferences should do are to establish schedules based on D1 locale, and the rest be left up to playoffs.

[The Reckoning]

7 tbh.

this dude is either drunk, having mental paroxysms from nicotine withdraw, some crazy ptsd or manic bipolarism tbh fwiw imho.

[Vito Corleone]

Chances Vito Corleone went to UT - starting at 0%

Chances that it matters? 0%

If you must know I started off at Texas state back when it was SWT but finished off at U of Minnesota.

My ties to Texas run long and deep, very deep.

[Avante]

LOL have you seen the number of sprinters that have come from FSU, Miami, UCLA and USC? Have you seen the Sprinters from Texas, did you not notice we had a football player in these last Olympics. Have you not seen the Sprinters from Tech and Baylor who have made the Olympics?

The best high school track programs in the country are in Texas. Texas owns track and field and many of those kids go on to play football with schools in this state.

I haven't even mentioned U of H which is usually one of the fastest schools in the country.

And yes it is about Politics. You will never see a non-BCS conf school playing for the MNC under the current system. If the super conf did come into affect you would see never see a non super conf school play for the MNC.

The whole reason for the BCS was to make more money for the major conferences the only reason they made other school eligible was to prevent public backlash and stop any kind of law suit.

Your delusional if you think any WAC, MWC or CUSA school will ever be allowed to play for a championship.

I am positive no WAC, MWC, or CUSA will ever play for a le, but it's not about politics it's about weak schedule.

Go ahead give me the names of those FSU, Miami, UCLA and USC sprinters in the NFL....good luck. Yes Texas with...Jamaal Charles, Tony Jones, Johnny Jones and Herkie Walls is covered. Goodwin and Eric Metcalfe were long junpers but speedy.

Then there's this...

All Time SEC Football 100m

lane

1.Xavier Carter..10.00 LSU
2.Sam Graddy...10.09 Olympic medalist Tenn
3.Trindon Holliday...10.00 LSU
4.Leonard Scott...9.91 Tenn, fastest time ever ran by any footballer
5.John Capel...9.96 Florida Top ranked in the world
6.Willie Gault...10.01 Tenn Olympian
7.Jeff Demps...10.01 Florida Olympian
8.Herschel Walker...10.23

Now what conference compares to this...

All Time SEC 100m

lane

1.Calvin Smith...9.93 Alabama Olympian
2.Bernard Williams..9.97 Florida Olympian
3.Coby Miller...9.98 Auburn Olympian
4.Dennis Mitc ..9.91 Florida Olympian
5.Justin Gatlin...9.79 Tenn Olympic bronze medalist
6.Richard Thompson...LSU Trini Olympic silver medalist LSU
7.Tyson Gay...9.69 Arkansas Olympian
8.John Capel...9.96 Ky Olympian

You mentioned Texas had a guy in the Olympics.

How about this...

Isaiah Young...Mississippi 200m
Wallace Spearmon...Arkansas 200m
Justin Gatlin..Tenn 100m
Tyson Gay..Arkansas 100m

Trust me when I tell you thee is no conference remotely close to the SEC when it comes to speed.

"B"

lane

1.John Capel..9.96 Florida
2.Stanley Floyd...10.03 number one in the world in 1980
3.Harvey Glance...10.05 Olympian
4.Marc Burns..9.96 Auburn Trini Olympian
5.Harry Adams..9.96 Auburn
6.Wallace Spearmon 9.96 Arkansas
7.Leonard Scott..9.91 Tennnesse
8.Sam Graddy...10.09 Tennessse Olympian

"C"

lane

1.Trindon Holliday..10.00 LSU
2.Tim Harden...9.98 Ky Olympian
3.Jeff Demps..10.01 Florida Olympian
4.Vincent Henderson...9.98 Arkansas
5.Glenroy Gilbert...10.10 LSU Canada Olympian
6.Cliff Outlin...9.3 Auburn
7.Emmitt King...10.04 Alabama
8.Jim Green...9.2 Ky

The Big 10 has never had a sub10.00 sprinter and neither has USC.

There is no confeence that matchs the SEC when it comes to speed.

[tlongII]

The SEC wins national les in football because they cheat. Simple as that.