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    lol soi disant libertarians supporting forced labor

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    compelled labor? are we still living in the USA?
    It's a trade.

    Show you are willing to work for wealfare.

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    It's a trade.

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    There are plenty of WHITE, red state, Repug-voting, hyper-partriot, tea bagger bubbas on govt assistance, nearly half of the total. Why aren't they in the fields, orchards, slaughterhouses?

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    There are plenty of WHITE, red state, Repug-voting, hyper-partriot, tea bagger bubbas on govt assistance, nearly half of the total. Why aren't they in the fields, orchards, slaughterhouses?
    I don't know. Why don't you ask them?

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    Do Your Own Research

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    Is mass migration from Mexico to the United States a thing of the past?


    At least for the moment, it is. Last May, the Pew Hispanic Center, in a study based on U.S. and Mexican statistics, reported that net migration from Mexico to this country had fallen to zero from 2005 to 2010.






    Pew said 20,000 more people moved to Mexico from the United States than from there to here in those years. That's a vivid contrast with the years 1995 to 2000, when net inflow from Mexico was 2.2 million people.


    Because there was net Mexican immigration until 2007, when the housing market collapsed and the Great Recession began, it seems clear that there was net outmigration from 2007 to 2010, and that likely has continued in 2011 and 2012.


    There's a widespread assumption that Mexican migration will resume when the U.S. economy starts growing robustly again. But I think there's reason to doubt that will be the case.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...er_116375.html

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    Battleground Poll: Most back path to citizenship

    A new POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground poll finds that 62 percent of those surveyed support an immigration reform proposal that would allow illegal or undo ented immigrants to earn citizenship over a period of several years. Thirty-five percent oppose it.

    The national poll, conducted last week, finds more Republicans — 49 percent — support a path to citizenship than oppose it — 45 percent. Democrats favor this approach 3-to-1, 74 percent to 24 percent. And independents back it by a 26-point margin, 61 percent to 35 percent.

    The poll reveals significantly greater overall support, 77 percent, for an immigration law that allows the children of illegal or undo ented immigrants to earn the right to stay here permanently if they complete a college degree or serve in the military. Just 19 percent oppose this key element of the so-called DREAM Act.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2012/1...hip-84826.html

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    If housing ever kicks back into high gear there simply aren't enough skilled locals to pour the concrete, do the brick/rock/stucco work, or hang the sheetrock.

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    that could be awhile. when it happens, there's no guarantee Mexicans will emigrate en masse to do it. labor might have to come from elsewhere.

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    Yeah, all the fine arts majors can pour the concrete.

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    Finishing concrete level and smooth is kind of an art...

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    Once the American economy resumes its long-term growth path with full employment (it has not been on this path for the past 4 years), the economic pull from the US should return to where it had been before the economic crisis. However, the push from Mexico has been decreasing and should continue its downward path for the foreseeable future. One important cause is the sharp decline in Mexican birth rates during the past couple of decades. Not long ago Mexico was a country with high birth rates that produced many young adults who had trouble finding jobs. Now, the Mexican total fertility rate (TFR)- the number of children born to a typical woman over her lifetime- has plummeted to about 2.25. This rate is only a little above the population replacement rate of 2.1. Unlike in the past, the number of young people in Mexico will no longer be growing rapidly over time, so that the numbers looking for work in the Mexican labor market will be on the decline.


    The push from Mexico has also diminished because its economy has been growing at a good clip during the past 9 years. Excluding the large drop in 2009, the growth rate in real GDP has been over 4% per year. Mexico’s growth rate after 2009 considerably exceeds the American rate of under 2%, which is remarkable since about 80% of all Mexican exports go to the depressed American economy. One consequence is that the gap between earnings in Mexico and the United States is narrowing. This clearly reduces the demand to immigrate to America, especially under the difficult cir stances illegal immigrants face.
    http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/20...co-becker.html

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    two other "important causes" are

    1. drug violence along the MX border

    2. increased US border control

    which will probably remain constant as economics on either side move up or down.

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    Sequestration cuts border patrol as predicted; Republican outrage ensues




    The sequester cuts that we all knew were coming are hitting customs and border protection in the ways we knew they would, and Republicans are freaking out. Border patrol agents will be furloughed and have overtime hours cut as their agency's funding is slashed by $500 million. That's because the sequester is an indiscriminate across-the-board kind of thing—that's how it was designed, and Republicans knew what was coming when they flatly refused to put things like corporate tax loopholes on the table in a bargain to avert it.

    The border patrol agents union says these cuts will make things easier for smugglers; an expert points out, though, that since the border patrol is currently larger than it's ever been, the cuts will only roll things back to where they've been in recent years. What's undeniable is that the agents will lose a lot of pay.But despite the total lack of anything surprising in what's being cut by sequestration, to the Republican border paranoia crowd, it's time for OUTRAGE:

    [Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer's] spokesman, Matthew Benson, said the Border Patrol reductions would be “outrageous” and could put Arizonans at risk.“The White House approach to sequestration seems to be to create as much pain and public panic as possible,” Benson said in a telephone interview. “Any cut that impacts public safety should be a last resort.”

    Joe Arpaio, elected to his sixth term as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona’s largest, as he faced a federal civil- rights lawsuit over immigration-related arrests, criticized the planned reduction.
    “You shouldn’t take away resources when you still have a problem,” Arpaio, 80, said yesterday in an interview. “It doesn’t make sense.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/06/1192024/-Sequestration-cuts-border-patrol-as-predicted-Republican-outrage-ensues?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_c ampaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29#



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    Top Republican Warns Of French People Illegally Crossing Mexican Border In South Texas




    “You gotta stop the flow of people coming across and my friends and your friends Edd who have places in South Texas tell me, as a matter a fact a guy told me last night, he said we’ve got people coming across our place speaking Chinese, French and basically all of the languages in the world, coming through and across our southern border,”

    http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...n-south-texas/

    Mon Dieu! Sacre Bleu! Les chez eating surrender monkeys! Hope they be bringin some good wine and aged fromage!

    TX Senators, what a ing joke, as are the red neck, secessionist, macho-wanna-be bubbas who voted them in.

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