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    No. I am asking you whether or not you believe that an actual fairy who comes at night to take teeth and replace them with cash, exists?

    Do tooth fairies exist?
    Yes they do. They just aren't quite what I expected them to be. How can I actually say "no" without any proof that they don't. Regardless of what your concept of what a tooth fairy is, doesn't necessarily mean that your way is correct. The FACT remains... my tooth was gone and money was left in its place. How do you explain that those AREN'T the actions of a tooth fairy?

    To ignore that FACT is to ignore any logical possibility that the tooth fairy does exist and that in fact, your preconceptions of what a tooth fairy is were wrong.

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    How come none of you can give me a straight answer?

    I asked you if the tooth fairy actually exists. Do tooth fairies exist? Humans aren't fairies, so your parents don't count.

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    Blacks and Hispanics are very low on the IQ testing compared to whites and asians. That alone is enough reason for most impartial researchers to complete discredit IQ testing.

    I believe in a higher being(s) but I'm not religious, so I wonder where deists like myself find themselves IQ wise.

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    Why can't our parents be fairies? Because it doesn't satisfy your premise?

    How do you know that we aren't fairies in the first place? What if we find out that there is intelligent life on another planet and they consider us to be fairies from their folklore? Their civilization is ages older than ours so they get first dibbs on what to call us I guess? Does that make us fairies, or are we still humans?

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    Why can't our parents be fairies?
    your dads are fairies

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    How come none of you can give me a straight answer?

    I asked you if the tooth fairy actually exists. Do tooth fairies exist? Humans aren't fairies, so your parents don't count.
    I HAVE been giving you a straight answer. I have been saying that yes they do exist. Just because it isn't what you believe the tooth fairy to be, doesn't change the fact that my tooth was gone and there was money left in its place.

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    Why can't our parents be fairies? Because it doesn't satisfy your premise?
    No. It's because humans aren't fairies.

    How do you know that we aren't fairies in the first place? What if we find out that there is intelligent life on another planet and they consider us to be fairies from their folklore? Their civilization is ages older than ours so they get first dibbs on what to call us I guess? Does that make us fairies, or are we still humans?
    There is no evdience to suggest this, which is why I don't believe it. It's that simple.

    There is no evidence to suggest that God exists, so why should any objective person come to the conclusion that God exists? Just like you don't believe in Zeus, Ares, Apollo, Poseidon, etc., I don't believe in the Judeo Christian God.

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    OK, do you believe in the Soul Tooth Fairy who flies in and leaves malt liquor under your pillow?

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    Does the Soul Tooth Fairy exist?

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    No. It's because humans aren't fairies.



    There is no evdience to suggest this, which is why I don't believe it. It's that simple.

    There is no evidence to suggest that God exists, so why should any objective person come to the conclusion that God exists? Just like you don't believe in Zeus, Ares, Apollo, Poseidon, etc., I don't believe in the Judeo Christian God.
    What about UFO's? Do you know what they are? There is evidence that is currently unexplained, by science. Does that mean that there wasn't a photo or video taken of something that was beyond our understanding? There are literary works that could be likened to such instances for example "the bible". Can they truly be explained? Not with our current knowledge.

    Atheism itself is a leap of faith. They put their eggs into one basket saying that there couldn't be a god because their is no evidence to back it up when there is evidence, just not the type of evidence they are willing to accept.

    In the end Athiests are doing the same thing religious people do. It is just using different words to describe their search for the ultimate truth.

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    Atheism isn't the statement that there can't be a god; only that one doesn't believe in a god.

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    Atheism isn't the statement that there can't be a god; only that one doesn't believe in a god.
    Then why are so many of them saying that there isn't one in this thread? Why the need to convince everyone else that there isn't a God? All FACTS written in this thread point to the logical explanation that the majority of athiests are trying to spread atheism by bringing down everything else that doesn't go along with their beliefs. If you ask me it sounds awefully familiar to other historical incidents of "religious" nature.

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    What about UFO's? Do you know what they are? There is evidence that is currently unexplained, by science. Does that mean that there wasn't a photo or video taken of something that was beyond our understanding? There are literary works that could be likened to such instances for example "the bible". Can they truly be explained? Not with our current knowledge.

    Atheism itself is a leap of faith. They put their eggs into one basket saying that there couldn't be a god because their is no evidence to back it up when there is evidence, just not the type of evidence they are willing to accept.

    In the end Athiests are doing the same thing religious people do. It is just using different words to describe their search for the ultimate truth.
    Atheists putting all their eggs in one basket is a crappy idiom. Putting all your eggs in one basket implies that you are choosing to do so. You can't simply just believe there's a god because you want to cover both sides on the possibility that you might go to .

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    What about UFO's? Do you know what they are?
    Unidentified flying objects.

    There is evidence that is currently unexplained, by science.
    Evidence of what? That there are flying objects that have not been identified? So what?

    Does that mean that there wasn't a photo or video taken of something that was beyond our understanding?
    I wouldn't say that these objects are beyond our understanding. It would be far simpler to say that the people who identify flying objects did not have enough information available to come to a definitive conclusion.

    There are literary works that could be likened to such instances for example "the bible". Can they truly be explained? Not with our current knowledge.
    Explained how?

    Atheism itself is a leap of faith.
    No matter how many times theists claim this, it will never be true.

    They put their eggs into one basket saying that there couldn't be a god because their is no evidence to back it up when there is evidence, just not the type of evidence they are willing to accept.
    How is it a leap of faith to not believe in something that has no evidence of existing? Human experience tells us that if something exists, there will be some kind of signs of its existence. If I look into a box and see nothing in it, it doesn't take a leap of faith to believe that there is nothing in the box.

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    Then why are so many of them saying that there isn't one in this thread?
    Show me all of these people who claim that there is no God in this thread.

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    So a person doesn't choose to be athiest or spiritual?

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    How is it a leap of faith to not believe in something that has no evidence of existing? Human experience tells us that if something exists, there will be some kind of signs of its existence. If I look into a box and see nothing in it, it doesn't take a leap of faith to believe that there is nothing in the box.
    It does require a leap of faith to say that there is nothing in the box. The reality is that there is something in the box.

    An atheist says the box is empty.

    A religious person says that there is something in it. Air. You may not see it... but it is there.

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    Do not be a pedant. Atheists believe in air, too. You know that that wasn't the point I was making, so don't act obtuse like Avante.

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    So a person doesn't choose to be athiest or spiritual?
    No, I don't think a non-biased person chooses to be atheist. Like rz said, if you look in a box and there's nothing there, then you believe there's nothing there. In fact, most are so positive that they would say, they KNOW nothing is in there. And most could not choose to make themselves believe something is in there no matter what any repercussions there may be.

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    It does require a leap of faith to say that there is nothing in the box. The reality is that there is something in the box.

    An atheist says the box is empty.

    A religious person says that there is something in it. Air. You may not see it... but it is there.
    ...you MUST be trolling

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    Do not be a pedant. Atheists believe in air, too. You know that that wasn't the point I was making, so don't act obtuse like Avante.
    I am not trying to be. I am just saying that there isn't enough data to prove that one side is right and the other is wrong.

    To completely side one way or the other is just ridiculous. What I choose to believe has zero bearing on my intelligence or any other matter. I just see things differently than an athiest does.

    There is no right or wrong. There is just existence. And you know what? I am fine with that.

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    I am not trying to be. I am just saying that there isn't enough data to prove that one side is right and the other is wrong.
    There is enough data to come to a reasonable conclusion that there is no higher being. As I stated before, if there is absolutely nothing--nothing that can be seen, measured, or detected in any way whatsoever--to suggest that something exists, it doesn't take faith to not believe in it.

    Either a god exists or it does not. Anything else would be a paradox.

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    This is why I make my wife go to church every week. Dumb her down a little bit. I don't need her smart, figuring things out and .

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    Existence itself is a paradox that we won't really ever have an answer to if everything has to have a beginning.

    For example.... many scientists say that the big bang started off as a singularity. Well what created the singularity? What created (insert answer to the singularity)? So on and so forth.

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    Well what created the singularity? What created (insert answer to the singularity)?
    IDK...maybe some kind of super being or something.

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