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  1. #226
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    So a person doesn't choose to be athiest or spiritual?
    we're all born atheist.

    you're an atheist too whom believes in one more god than I do.

    when you understand why you don't believe in other Gods, you will understand why i don't believe in yours.

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    There is enough data to come to a reasonable conclusion that there is no higher being. As I stated before, if there is absolutely nothing--nothing that can be seen, measured, or detected in any way whatsoever--to suggest that something exists, it doesn't take faith to not believe in it.

    Either a god exists or it does not. Anything else would be a paradox.
    Neutrinos were once believed to not exist. People figured out a way to detect them. Dark matter was just a pipe dream, but people figured out how to detect it. Life was supposed to be unique to the earth, now we aren't so sure.

    Existence itself is a paradox that will run infinitely. The premise of right or wrong is based upon the finite. There is no such thing as sufficient data to form a perfect answer. If there was, then there wouldn't be an atheist or religious person. Everyone would believe the same thing because it would be the absolute truth.

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    There is no right or wrong. There is just existence. And you know what? I am fine with that.
    There is wrong when religious nuts try to push bible morals and bible science into the public domain.

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    There is wrong when religious nuts try to push bible morals and bible science into the public domain.
    What is wrong to you is right to them. Therefore there is no right or wrong. There is just ones existence.

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    we're all born atheist.

    you're an atheist too whom believes in one more god than I do.

    when you understand why you don't believe in other Gods, you will understand why i don't believe in yours.
    I believe in existence. I define what god is, and what god isn't. Existence is the only real answer.

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    A unique perspective:

    Religious people aren’t necessarily stupid…and atheists aren’t necessarily smart

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    The difference is not in intelligence. It’s on the foundation of their education. Intelligent people who are indoctrinated into a faith can build marvelously intricate palaces of rationalization atop the shoddy vapor of their beliefs about gods and the supernatural; what scientists and atheists must do is build their logic on top of a more solid basis of empirical evidence and relentless self-examination. The difference isn’t their ability to reason, it is what they are reasoning about.

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    What is wrong to you is right to them. Therefore there is no right or wrong. There is just ones existence.
    Morals and ideals that hold our society back are wrong....

    ....unless you want to argue that something like slavery is neither right nor wrong.

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    Morals and ideals that hold our society back are wrong....

    ....unless you want to argue that something like slavery is neither right nor wrong.
    checkmate

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    Morals and ideals that hold our society back are wrong....

    ....unless you want to argue that something like slavery is neither right nor wrong.
    but where do you get the idea that something like slavery and killing is wrong?

    If I just base myself in scientific thinking then killing and enslaving is okay because isn't survival of the fittest? Then you could use the bodies of the captured for research to further develop the Human race.

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    Morals and ideals that hold our society back are wrong....

    ....unless you want to argue that something like slavery is neither right nor wrong.
    All great nations were built on the backs of slaves. Where would we be now without slavery? Was it really wrong now that we see the outcome of it? Was it wrong to enslave people? Was it right to enslave people? All that really matters is that slavery existed.

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    but where do you get the idea that something like slavery and killing is wrong?

    If I just base myself in scientific thinking then killing and enslaving is okay because isn't survival of the fittest? Then you could use the bodies of the captured for research to further develop the Human race.
    it's called living, experience. Many species work together amongst themselves or even with other species for mutual benefit. Morals don't come from a book, they come from experience.

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    All great nations were built on the backs of slaves. Where would we be now without slavery? Was it really wrong now that we see the outcome of it? Was it wrong to enslave people? Was it right to enslave people? All that really matters is that slavery existed.
    wow. Talk about a waste of existence. You sound like Lisa turtle when she tries to be smart to impress that smart kid.

    is art art?
    are we art?

    yes slavery is bad. you can indeed build a nation without slaves.

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    wow. Talk about a waste of existence. You sound like Lisa turtle when she tries to be smart to impress that smart kid.

    is art art?
    are we art?

    yes slavery is bad. you can indeed build a nation without slaves.
    England, built by slaves.

    USA, built by slaves.

    Russia, built by slaves.

    Persia, built by slaves.

    Athens, built by slaves.

    Sparta, built by slaves.

    Egypt, built by slaves.

    China, built by slaves.

    Japan built by slaves.

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    wow. Talk about a waste of existence. You sound like Lisa turtle when she tries to be smart to impress that smart kid.

    is art art?
    are we art?

    yes slavery is bad. you can indeed build a nation without slaves.
    Slavery exists today. It may not be what you expect it to be, but it is there. For example, you don't work, you don't get paid, you starve. You are forced to work. A slave to money, yet this is accepted. Why?

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    Slavery exists today. It may not be what you expect it to be, but it is there. For example, you don't work, you don't get paid, you starve. You are forced to work. A slave to money, yet this is accepted. Why?
    There are millions of people in the US who are not in the work force. Not starving to death. Are they slaves too?

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    slave labor and needing money to pay bills are not remotely the same thing.

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    but where do you get the idea that something like slavery and killing is wrong?

    If I just base myself in scientific thinking then killing and enslaving is okay because isn't survival of the fittest? Then you could use the bodies of the captured for research to further develop the Human race.
    I don't know anyone that believes that line of reasoning would make for a great society to be a part of.

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    Slavery exists today. It may not be what you expect it to be, but it is there. For example, you don't work, you don't get paid, you starve. You are forced to work. A slave to money, yet this is accepted. Why?
    who said we currently live in a perfect world?

    Wal Mart was built on the backs of slaves, in that sense, but they still had the option to work at HEB.

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    it's called living, experience. Many species work together amongst themselves or even with other species for mutual benefit. Morals don't come from a book, they come from experience.

    experience?

    But you haven't answered the question. Why is killing bad?? Wouldn't it benefit the earth if a couple of billion people died? Aren't we overpopulated as it is?

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    I don't know anyone that believes that line of reasoning would make for a great society to be a part of.
    why not? You could do whatever you feel like it and believe whatever you want.

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    experience?

    But you haven't answered the question. Why is killing bad?? Wouldn't it benefit the earth if a couple of billion people died? Aren't we overpopulated as it is?
    Spoken like a true Hitler.

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    experience?

    But you haven't answered the question. Why is killing bad?? Wouldn't it benefit the earth if a couple of billion people died? Aren't we overpopulated as it is?
    The world is not over populated. It is that the world doesn't share it's wealth amongst the people.

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    Spoken like a true Hitler.
    Well, this is the way true atheists speak and think. I'm pretty sure all atheists believe in equal rights for illegal immigrants, are out to cure world hunger and disease, donate money to charity, save the babies from Haiti, etc.

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    The world is not over populated. It is that the world doesn't share it's wealth amongst the people.
    and how did that wealth come about?

    people got ed over in the past for that wealth to be ac ulated. We kicked out all the Indians from all the fertile lands and used slaves to make money off those lands.

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    why not? You could do whatever you feel like it and believe whatever you want.
    I would probably kill you in your society.

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