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No Jordan -- no one gives a about the NBA.
lol @ MOAT ...... that quote hasta go down as one of the dumbest we've ever had on this forum. Dude was constantly up for the MVP vote every year and back then, his peers, the players voted who was the best player in the NBA, not the media. And you pick a year, 1972, to try to prove a point ????
All he did in 1972 was go 28 and 13 in the playoffs and 34 and 16 in the regular season. How come you didn't choose 1971 to make your point? He basically saved the Big O from going down as the greatest player to never win a ring. And as far as playing a long time, those extra years in which he probably should have retired, brought his averages down. And even at 39, 40 and 41, dude still avg'd 17, 14 and 10. If Duncan had those numbers, you'd probably wet the front of ya damn pants trying to proved Jim was the GOAT.
No Jordan -- no one gives a about the NBA.
Kareem, Magic in my opinion.
No Jordan? that - I'll take Wilt and Kareem as the GOAT over Jordan.
Kareem. I think there is an argument to be made that he is above Jordan. His stats are superior, and he won just as many les. Kareem also played a much more important position on the court at Center. Jordan was great, but I think his career has been inflated due to Nike marketing. He is a contender for GOAT, but I don't think its a foregone conclusion as most do.
Kareem Abdul Jabbar, totally agree with other posters, is the GOAT with or without Jordan - he made more of a difference, more of an unstoppable shot etc. Starting any team any time take Kareem over Jordan. Jordan was as much of a product of the media, NIKE and the idea that he alone produced 6 rings but he did not win a thing without Pippen and Jackson + changed rules and nebulous over the top "Jordan Rules" that allowed BS like his push off game winner against the Jazz.
Bill Russell
1. Duncan
1a. Russell
hmm... he was 4-5 inches taller than the average center in the league, and outweighed most of them by well over 50 lbs. Put up great numbers, but was a lousy winner.
and you say that people who say Jordan > Wilt lacks perspective?
rofl
He is the only player that any minute argument can be made for, even though I think it's still MJ. If anything, your argument about the positions they played gives more props to MJ, because until him, it was widely believe that you cannot win a championship when building around a shooting guard. He completely changed that and dominated the game in a way that no player had ever done before (the closest being Oscar)
Every opinion you post on Spurstalk contains about the equivalent amount of knowledge as a fossilized pile of T-Rex . Quit trying to act like you are educated, when you are in fact, a dumbass of unequivocal proportions.
Kobe Bryant.
He took the Celtics dynasty to 7 games year after year and finally overcame the hump when Greer developed. He won a lot, he just could not beat the greatest dynasty at it's peak. We are talking Russell, Cousey, Havlicek and the Jones brothers.
Jordan always had Pippen and Grant and consistently had a strong supporting cast with guys like Kucok, Harper, Armstrong, Cartwright, Rodman and others.
I think you may want to reevaluate the notion that I lack perspective. I also think you should revisit the NBA in the 1960s. He played in a division with Nate Thurmond, Bill Russell, and Jerry Lucas and there were only 10 teams. It may be fun to act like the NBA was all 6'8" smurfs but that just doesn't bear out. As his career went along he had to contend with Alcindor/Jabbar, Unseld, Malone and others. He put up all those records against those guys. His rebounding record of 50+ for example was against Bill Russell.
Chamberlain was the most dominant player to step onto a basketball court. Prime Wilt of around 1967 would dominate in any era including the one we are in now.
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