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    The president himself said the buck stops with him. I'm not parroting Fox News narrative, I'm repeating the sentiment of the commander-in-chief.
    Playing Benghazi stuff 24 hours a day and portraying it as a debacle that the president is personally responsible for is the Fox News narrative right now. You obviously watch it. Daily?

    Are you ever going to talk about the ins utional issues or are you going to do another Fox News hour?

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    And let's be clear. The other networks have been covering it including carrying this latest from Fox. Go to any major reporting agecy and its still amongst the top stories.

    The difference though is that that they are not run by a GOP strategist and as such are just reporting on what the agencies are saying and finding and not trying to play the arbiter of blame.

    What do you think the problem was? An intelligence failure? Another one? Wow you sure got a new take on that one.

    While it may be fun to paint the president as sitting there getting good intelligence and saying ' it let them die' no one that's not an idiot thinks that. You are not looking for a solution. You are looking for political points and its painfully obvious. The intelligence community is a cluster that several presidents have tried to resolve but lets ignore that lets scapegoat for the election. Its transparent.

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    And let's be clear. The other networks have been covering it including carrying this latest from Fox. Go to any major reporting agecy and its still amongst the top stories.

    The difference though is that that they are not run by a GOP strategist and as such are just reporting on what the agencies are saying and finding and not trying to play the arbiter of blame.

    What do you think the problem was? An intelligence failure? Another one? Wow you sure got a new take on that one.

    While it may be fun to paint the president as sitting there getting good intelligence and saying ' it let them die' no one that's not an idiot thinks that. You are not looking for a solution. You are looking for political points and its painfully obvious. The intelligence community is a cluster that several presidents have tried to resolve but lets ignore that lets scapegoat for the election. Its transparent.
    It seems to me to be a structural/ins utional problem and, as you pointed out, has been so for previous administrations. The notion of "The Buck Stops Where?" is the knee jerk response to a complex problem like this. But, shallow as it may be, the question is a player.

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    U.S. offers detailed account of attack in Libya (corrected)
    The CIA rushed security operatives to an American diplomatic compound in Libya within 25 minutes after it had come under attack and played a more central role in the effort to fend off a night-long siege than has been publicly acknowledged, U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday.

    The account, which was provided to news organizations Thursday by senior U.S. intelligence officials, is the most detailed chronology presented so far of an attack that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, including two CIA security officers.

    Correction: An earlier alert should have attributed the account of the raid to U.S. intelligence officials.
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...a24_story.html

    Izza exposed the then-secret CIA base in Bengazi during his witch-hunt...it's no surprise these guys were at the embassy within 25 minutes of the attack on the embassy..

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    If you think Fox is the devil then focus on the information and words that came directly from the president. There was mention of terror in the rose garden (debatable in terms of context) but then not mentioned again by the president or Rice. All of the focus was on the video. If you need time to gather information to understand what truly happened why jump to the video? If you believe it was terror and point to your statements in the rose garden acknowleding that fact then what does the video have to do with anything? There are some simple questions that should be answered. As the POTUS were you aware that the consulate was attacked twice in the last 6 months? Were you aware that several requests were made for additional security? If you were why didn't you act? If you weren't aware why not and who is responsibe for getting that information to you?

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    “There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support,” said the official. The official’s comments appeared to be a direct rebuttal of a Fox News report that CIA teams on the ground had been told by superior officers to “stand down” from providing security support to the consulate.
    The biggest criticism of the issue is whether Obama said the word terrorism, really?

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    Willard receives an intelligence briefing daily. Yet, ever since the 2nd debate, not one word about Benghazi has escaped his lips. Not. One. Instead of Benghazi, Willard has double- and triple-downed on his oft-disproved Jeep lies.

    If Faux and Deadbart are foaming at the mouth about Benghazi 24/7, but the candidate is not, what does that tell us?

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    Sounds like you are reaching. Romney brought it up in debate 2 and was shot down by Crowley and Obama being offended. Crowley came back after the fact and acknowledged that she mispoke. Only problem is the majority of the 65 million people that watched the debate don't know about Crowley's take back. You don't need Fox or any other conservative source. Listen to what the president and his representatives said, that alone should raise questions for you.

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    What questions?

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    See my previous post in this thread.

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    If you think Fox is the devil then focus on the information and words that came directly from the president. There was mention of terror in the rose garden (debatable in terms of context) but then not mentioned again by the president or Rice. All of the focus was on the video. If you need time to gather information to understand what truly happened why jump to the video? If you believe it was terror and point to your statements in the rose garden acknowleding that fact then what does the video have to do with anything? There are some simple questions that should be answered. As the POTUS were you aware that the consulate was attacked twice in the last 6 months? Were you aware that several requests were made for additional security? If you were why didn't you act? If you weren't aware why not and who is responsibe for getting that information to you?
    what is is it with the red team and this fixation on whether it was called a terror act 5 minutes after it happened? I truly don't understand why the it matters whether it was said right then or 10 days later. It changes nothing. Pardon me for questioning the motives of those (you) who are stuck on the whether Obama yelled terror right after it happened.


    There are some simple questions that should be answered. As the POTUS were you aware that the consulate was attacked twice in the last 6 months? Were you aware that several requests were made for additional security? If you were why didn't you act? If you weren't aware why not and who is responsibe for getting that information to you?
    Again, none of you guys asked one question when we never found wmds in Iraq. You rememebr the war that we just got out of. I think it is fair to say that the Iraq war caused much more pain to the coutnry and you were silent. Yet now your outraged....

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    If you think Fox is the devil then focus on the information and words that came directly from the president. There was mention of terror in the rose garden (debatable in terms of context) but then not mentioned again by the president or Rice. All of the focus was on the video. If you need time to gather information to understand what truly happened why jump to the video? If you believe it was terror and point to your statements in the rose garden acknowleding that fact then what does the video have to do with anything? There are some simple questions that should be answered. As the POTUS were you aware that the consulate was attacked twice in the last 6 months? Were you aware that several requests were made for additional security? If you were why didn't you act? If you weren't aware why not and who is responsibe for getting that information to you?
    Early U.S. explanation of Libya attack based on intel assessmentBy the CNN Wire Staff

    updated 9:07 PM EDT, Fri October 19, 2012

    Washington (CNN) -- An Obama administration official whose now controversial comment that the attack on the U.S. mission in Libya was "spontaneous" relied on talking points provided by the CIA based on its assessment that an intelligence official said on Friday was updated days later with new information.The disclosure to CNN appears to offer some clarity around the administration's early stage explanation of the September 11 attack by armed militants that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

    But CNN National Security Contributor Fran Townsend injected a new element into the crucial time line on Friday night, reporting on Anderson Cooper 360 that senior intelligence officials had multiple conversations with senior White House officials in the first 24 hours after the attack.

    Townsend, a former homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to President George W. Bush, added that "we don't know" what was said.

    "But I can tell you from having lived through these crises, you're getting a constant feed of what the intelligence community understands about what is currently going on and what has happened on the ground," Townsend said.
    She added that "they will caveat the information" because in the first hours there "will be all sorts of information, some of it which will turn out not to have been true."
    Additionally, a senior Republican lawmaker said members of Congress had information from intelligence officials within a day of the incident that it was a military style attack.

    President Barack Obama faces harsh criticism from Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney for his administration's handling of security in Benghazi ahead of the attack and its slow-to-evolve, politically sensitive explanation of what occurred.

    The issue is expected to be highlighted on Monday when the candidates square off in their third and final debate, which will focus on national security. Romney is trying to undercut Obama's perceived strength with the electorate on foreign affairs in a tightly contested campaign.

    Romney has claimed the Obama administration's statements about the attack in the days that followed were confusing at best, and illustrate his contention that the president's foreign policy is incoherent and has made America less respected and more more vulnerable.

    Rice comments

    Republicans have seized on televised remarks made five days after the attack by U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice. In one appearance, she said on NBC's "Meet the Press" that an assessment based on the best information available indicated a spontaneous reaction to demonstrations over an anti-Muslim film produced in the United States.

    Several senior administration officials told CNN that Rice's use of the word "spontaneous" came directly from an assessment provided to Congress by the CIA and was not edited by the White House.

    "The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations," the do ent stated.

    But the intelligence official said it took days to sort out information around the attack.

    "It wasn't until after the points were used in public that people reconciled contradictory information and assessed there probably wasn't a protest around the time of the attack," the official told CNN.

    With regard to initial thinking the incident started as a protest - an administration official maintained that intelligence coming from human sources and intercepts all indicated there was a protest on the scene. At the time, there were many demonstrations across the Middle East over the film.

    The early talking points outlining the incident as spontaneous were written so members of Congress and senior officials could say something publicly about the attack, the intelligence official said.

    "A key question early on was whether extremists took over a crowd or if the guys who showed up were all militants. It took time—until that next week—to sort through varied and sometimes conflicting accounts to understand the group's overall composition," the intelligence official said.

    But House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican, told CNN that the panel had information from the intelligence community within 24 hours of the incident that it was a military style attack.

    "If you look at all of the information leading up to (the attack) from an intelligence perspective, it's really confounding how you can come to a conclusion and then promote it for days in the face of all of that information that this was about a video," Rogers said.

    The disclosures on intelligence, however, raises the question of whether those officials are now being blamed for confusion about Benghazi events.

    "The intelligence community is not being blamed. Administration officials have made it very clear, the (intelligence community) is providing the best possible assessment it can, another U.S. intelligence official said. "There is no sense anyone is throwing the (intelligence community) under the bus."

    Senate committee ups pressure on administration

    Separately, a Senate committee has requested do ents and a classified briefing from intelligence officials about the Benghazi time line and whether statements by administration officials were inaccurate.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee also wants to know about threat assessments and security concerns before the attack. A hearing is planned when lawmakers return to Washington after the election.

    Romney suggested at Tuesday's debate in New York that the Obama administration played politics by failing to immediately acknowledge what occurred in Benghazi was a terror attack. Obama bristled, calling that claim "offensive."

    When Obama said he described the attack as an act of terror the day after it occurred, Romney challenged him. Obama responded by saying, "check the transcript" of White House remarks on the incident.

    Here's an answer for one of your questions.

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    Sounds like you are reaching. Romney brought it up in debate 2 and was shot down by Crowley and Obama being offended. Crowley came back after the fact and acknowledged that she mispoke. Only problem is the majority of the 65 million people that watched the debate don't know about Crowley's take back. You don't need Fox or any other conservative source. Listen to what the president and his representatives said, that alone should raise questions for you.
    or simply something else for the obama haters to about

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    New Details Discredit Fox News Reports On Benghazi Attacks

    The Los Angeles Times’ version of the CIA’s role focuses the most heavily on pushing back on Fox’s spin:


    “At every level in the chain of command, from the senior officers in Libya to the most senior officials in Washington, everyone was fully engaged in trying to provide whatever help they could,” a senior intelligence official said in a statement. “There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support.”

    The Pentagon, White House, and CIA had all previously denied refusing requests for support. The New York Times reports on the Pentagon’s involvement:


    [A] senior official also sought to rebut reports that C.I.A. requests for support from the Pentagon that night had gone unheeded.
    In fact, the official said, the military diverted a Predator drone from a reconnaissance mission in Darnah, 90 miles away, in time to oversee the mission’s evacuation. The two commandos, based at the embassy in Tripoli, joined the reinforcements. And a military transport plane flew the wounded Americans and Mr. Stevens’s body out of Libya.
    Washington Post’s David Ignatius has gone as far as to produce a detailed minute-by-minute timeline, of the events that night. These reports together give the clearest picture yet of the events in Benghazi. Rather than the Obama Presidency unraveling as the news organization has claimed, it appears to be Fox News’ narrative that is coming undone instead.

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...news-benghazi/

    Fox Repug Propaganda network trying their damndest to swift-boat Barry out of and Gecko into the WH. Nothing but a bunch of ing LIARS.

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    LOL Fox "news" has "sources".

    http://www.thenewsherald.com/article...e364840332.txt

    ●9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave.

    ●10:04 p.m.: A seven-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate.

    The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said.

    ●10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers.

    ●10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes.

    ●10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers.

    ●11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

    ●11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts the State Department group into a vehicle and sends them to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later.

    ●11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over.

    ●1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack.

    ●5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions.

    ●5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are they observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.

    ●6 a.m.: Libyan forces from the military intelligence service finally arrive, now with 50 vehicles. They escort the Americans to the airport. A first group of 18, including two wounded, depart at 7 a.m. A second group of 12, plus the four dead, leave at 10 a.m. for Tripoli and then the long flight back to America.

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    Fox News Focuses On Benghazi Attack While Largely Ignoring Hurricane Sandy

    Fox News prime-time hosts barely mentioned Hurricane Sandy on Wednesday night, even as MSNBC and CNN reported non-stop on the massive cleanup efforts just south of Fox's Manhattan studio and throughout the surrounding region devastated by the storm.


    Instead, the Fox News hosts focused on the upcoming presidential election and the Sept. 11, 2012, consulate attack in Benghazi, Libya -- a story that’s been a mainstay on the cable network over the past six weeks amid suggestions of a White House cover-up.

    None of Fox News' prime-time hosts brought up President Barack Obama's response to the storm, which included touring the battered New Jersey shore with Republican Gov. Chris Christie earlier on Wednesday.

    But immediately after Trippi's segment on the election, host Greta Van Susteren teased the next one: "Did the Obama administration deliberately mislead Americans about Libya?" she asked.

    etc, etc, etc


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...=Daily%20Brief

    And right-wing assholes here willingly get suckered by Fox Repug lies OVER AND OVER AND OVER

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    If they had a predator drone overhead why the didn't they take out the mortar that was s ing them?

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    If they had a predator drone overhead why the didn't they take out the mortar that was s ing them?
    It's in the report in the quote that RG just posted ffs.

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    I'll help since CC obviously did not read the report:

    5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are they observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.
    I also would like to point out that Fox News does not have this report up on ther webite at 9:50 CST but they do have a BIAS report claiming that the other media outlets are not covering this topic. Nor does the Washington Times at 10AM. Both have been having this narrative of tin hats and bias. Direct account of the timeline from the horse's mouth is ignored.

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    If they had a predator drone overhead why the didn't they take out the mortar that was s ing them?
    ●11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

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    Let's make this clear, there is alot that we can learn form this incident and it should be thoroughy looked at. However, it is painfully obvious that the GOP is trying to politicize this event to try and affect the election. It is also irresponsible to throw everything out on the wall hoping to score political points and exploiting the families of the slain in doing so.

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    The families would like answers as well. Hugely ironic that you think the right is politicizing this. The misinformation for two weeks after the incident followed with the suggestion that we need to gather all of the information. Gathering all of the information is a great strategy and one that should have been taken from the onset. Where this is political for the president is on his foreign policy narative. Bin Laden is dead and Al Queda is on the run. The POTUS knows he is screwed on the economy and needs to divert to other areas where he appears stronger. With this incident it brings into question his strength in foreign policy.

    Your suggestion that we should not ask questions because in your view Bush took us into Iraq on false pretenses is weak. Well your guy screwed up and you looked the other way so now look the other way for the democrat. Instead of looking for news stories that help you defend your guy look and listen to what Obama, Biden, Rice, Carney have all said. If you don't get to a wtf after that then your head is buried in the sand.

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    "exploiting the families of the slain in doing so"

    the father of one the Seals is exploiting his son's death to slander Obama:

    "the father of murdered Benghazi SEAL Tyrone Woods, sent this message to Barack Obama:
    “It’s better to die a hero than live a coward.” "

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2039121.html

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    You know, the father of a slain child should get a pass, you ing coward.

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    The families would like answers as well. Hugely ironic that you think the right is politicizing this. The misinformation for two weeks after the incident followed with the suggestion that we need to gather all of the information. Gathering all of the information is a great strategy and one that should have been taken from the onset. Where this is political for the president is on his foreign policy narative. Bin Laden is dead and Al Queda is on the run. The POTUS knows he is screwed on the economy and needs to divert to other areas where he appears stronger. With this incident it brings into question his strength in foreign policy.

    Your suggestion that we should not ask questions because in your view Bush took us into Iraq on false pretenses is weak. Well your guy screwed up and you looked the other way so now look the other way for the democrat. Instead of looking for news stories that help you defend your guy look and listen to what Obama, Biden, Rice, Carney have all said. If you don't get to a wtf after that then your head is buried in the sand.
    Who said to not ask questions?

    Red team didn't ask enough questions in the past and they did so for political reasons. They are asking questions now for political reasons. I guess they can whine about what team blue does, but that doesn't make them look any better.

    I still don't know the insinuation they are trying to make here other than a revival of the secret Muslim meme.

    After actually reading the report, there is a lot less WTF. It's telling that CC is still ranting after obviously not reading it.

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