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    Seems like a majority are siding with Pop and the Spurs.

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    Suddenly everybody is so outraged that someone tried to deny them Spurs basketball.
    Not deny Spurs basketball, but deny audience rating to advertisers who paid the Stern extra for this specific game between top teams. I'd like to see the predicted and actual audience ratings. It's all about revenue, not about basketball quality.

    Of 2000 of 2500 games/season, this one was actually not in the 2000 ty, meaningless, boring, no-effort games.

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    I mentioned elsewhere that my daughter now lives in NY and we decided that I would schedule a visit that could include a Spurs game. The fact that the games against the Knicks and Nets were both part of b2bs factored into our decision to see them play in Philly.
    Yeah, I hear ya. I bought two club gold tickets for $515 a piece on stub hub. I'm not sure if I got ripped off or not but thought they were priced about right at the time. I'm making the journey from Buffalo, watching the ball drop, and staying through til the 5th. I figure it's going to cost me a pretty penny by the time it's all said and done. God, I hope the Spurs don't tank.

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    Seriously the worst head of any major sport in history.
    I guess you don't think the NHL is a major sport.

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    Not deny Spurs basketball, but deny audience rating to advertisers who paid the Stern extra for this specific game between top teams. I'd like to see the predicted and actual audience ratings. It's all about revenue, not about basketball quality.

    Of 2000 of 2500 games/season, this one was actually not in the 2000 ty, meaningless, boring, no-effort games.
    I understand the point, but that concern is inconsistent (logically) with the annual lament that the Spurs are a ratings killer on national television and that the league is better off when the Spurs exit the playoffs before the Finals. If nobody watches the Spurs, then what difference does it make who plays for them in a nationally televised game. Nobody watches, right?

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    That game at MSG is a 4th game in 5 nights for the Spurs (and the 5th game in 7 nights).

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    Not deny Spurs basketball, but deny audience rating to advertisers who paid the Stern extra for this specific game between top teams. I'd like to see the predicted and actual audience ratings. It's all about revenue, not about basketball quality.

    Of 2000 of 2500 games/season, this one was actually not in the 2000 ty, meaningless, boring, no-effort games.
    I don't know where you were when ESPN had story after story about how the Spurs killed the ratings for the finals that were on their parent network. I guarantee you that based on the way they're treated, the Spurs aren't drawing "extra" for "this specific game" based on anything other than to be a victim for the Heat. The Spurs were served up by the league and the TV networks as Christians to feed to the lions on national TV. Good for Pop to tell them to off.

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    I guess you don't think the NHL is a major sport.
    Or the NFL. Or MLB.

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    It's funny how nobody gives a about the Spurs when they're playing exciting basketball. Nobody gives a about Tim Duncan when he's the best big man in the league. Nobody buys tickets to see the Spurs on the road. Nobody ever shows Spurs highlights. Suddenly everybody is so outraged that someone tried to deny them Spurs basketball.

    haha good point

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    For comedic purposes, I wouldn't mind Stern coming down hard on the Spurs (of course, nothing overboard like taking away draft picks or anything like that). If he does something big, he won't just be the NBA commissioner, he'll become the head coach of the all the coaches in the league. From then on, if any coach ever sits a player for any purpose, Stern should -- by the newly set precedent -- get involved.

    Do it, Stern. I dare ya.

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    For comedic purposes, I wouldn't mind Stern coming down hard on the Spurs (of course, nothing overboard like taking away draft picks or anything like that). If he does something big, he won't just be the NBA commissioner, he'll become the head coach of the all the coaches in the league. From then on, if any coach ever sits a player for any purpose, Stern should -- by the newly set precedent -- get involved.

    Do it, Stern. I dare ya.
    I think the problem is that there's a substantial likelihood that Stern comes down hard here (having thrown a fit last night about this) and then chooses -- for any number of reasons -- to publicly call this a one-off situation and his explain his reaction to it to be a warning that sufficed to curb perceived abuses, such that he never does anything about it again.

    You're absolutely right about the nature of the slippery slope he's creating for himself if he gets too involved here, but he can avoid that with some tortured logic.

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    The Spurs were served up by the league and the TV networks as Christians to feed to the lions on national TV. Good for Pop to tell them to off.
    This is why I find any mention of "integrity of the game", "quality of the product for the fans", or any other such nonsense so laughable. If the league gave one tiny, little damn about any of that the Spurs would have been off on Wednesday night.

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    There's simply no way Stern can impose any kind of punishment. What he has to do is admit that he reacted emotionally and spoke too soon.

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    That kind of disadvantages all teams must to deal with

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    That kind of disadvantages all teams must to deal with
    True. But you'd have to admit that it's really unusual for the media -- and particularly ESPN -- to even note that disparity. Particularly when it's advantageous to the media darlings, whose failures tend to be rationalized far more than their successes are ever explained by anything other than their "greatness."

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    There's simply no way Stern can impose any kind of punishment. What he has to do is admit that he reacted emotionally and spoke too soon.
    that'd be the final sign of the apocalypse tbh.

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    True. But you'd have to admit that it's really unusual for the media -- and particularly ESPN -- to even note that disparity. Particularly when it's advantageous to the media darlings, whose failures tend to be rationalized far more than their successes are ever explained by anything other than their "greatness."
    That's why it got so much attention.
    Stern said too much. Then they looked at the schedule and found out that Pop had a reason for his actions. And Pop is a coach. So he can play whoever he wants.

    Then liberal ppl came into play and all that river with 'media darling' flowing faster.


    Let's see what Stern gonna do.
    If he will fine Pop it's gonna be a disaster and whole a lot different game will start in NBA

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    San Antonio vs. Stern: Making Sense of the Spurs' Benching Controversy




    There are at least three competing incentives at work in David Stern’s pending punishment of the Spurs for resting Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and Danny Green on Thursday in Miami — a punishment that will surely top out at a fine, since any non-monetary penalty would be ridiculous.

    1. The Spurs’ incentive to win a le. There is no proof Gregg Popovich’s long-standing practice of giving his key cogs an occasional night off furthers this goal, and as Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus put it late last night, Popovich’s general night-to-night minutes management likely has a far larger impact than these total off nights on the relative spryness of his old folks come May and June. Learning semi-definitive things about health, fatigue, and injuries is the next frontier in sports research, and we are about 5 percent of the way there. It’s impossible to prove that the off nights help or somehow hurt San Antonio’s long-term fatigue prognosis, but there is evidence that overplaying guys in the regular season can hurt a team’s le chances. The information is murky on all fronts, but it’s hard to blame Popovich for trying anything he and the team’s very smart staff believe might give the Spurs a half-percent greater chance of winning a fifth ring.
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    I think he reacted as a fan, not as the commissioner. In private, he might even admit that. As commisioner, there is no disputing that his announcing sanctions against the Spurs prior to the game was a bad decision, that announcement should have waited until AFTER the game. It likely impacted the game, and could have waited. That seemed like something DeMarcus Cousins would do, not the NBA Commissioner

    1) If the Spurs had actually won that game, he would have looked like an incredible idiot. And they almost won. It was still one of a nailbiter and that in and of itself is causing him problems today;
    2) Last year the NBA lauded him for the same types of decisions. Resting his players like he does allows his bench players to develop. Like that block by James Anderson on Mike Miller last night? Our big game is against Memphis, I think his decision put us in a better position to win that game. Isn't that what he is supposed to do? THis was the NBA's reaction to his decisions last year:

    Spurs' Popovich named Coach of the Year

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    Posted May 1 2012 3:06PM
    NEW YORK -- San Antonio's Gregg Popovich is the recipient of the Red Auerbach Trophy as the 2011-12 NBA Coach of the Year, the NBA announced today.
    Popovich, who also earned the honor in 2002-03, totaled 467 points, including 77 first-place votes, from a panel of 119 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Coaches were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote. The award was tabulated by the independent accounting firm of Ernst & Young LLP.

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    They should have played. They had a day off on Tuesday and had a short flight from Orlando. They are getting paid millions. What would our bosses think if we told them we were too tired to work since we worked 4 days in a row? I know the bosses were the ones who made the decision but the question is still the same.

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    They are getting paid millions. What would our bosses think if we told them we were too tired to work since we worked 4 days in a row? I know the bosses were the ones who made the decision but the question is still the same
    Does not make sense.

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    They should have played. They had a day off on Tuesday and had a short flight from Orlando. They are getting paid millions. What would our bosses think if we told them we were too tired to work since we worked 4 days in a row? I know the bosses were the ones who made the decision but the question is still the same.
    rascal's own keyboard debunked his own point.

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    Does not make sense.
    rascal's own keyboard debunked his own point.
    Beat me to it.

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    Does not make sense.
    It does in a way.


    But boss in this case IMO is POP and RC not NBA

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