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I sense a Ron Paul fan here.
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Not that important to me. I think most people would agree the political section liberals are far more than the conservatives. Just because Texas is a red state doesn't automatically make the political forum here red.
Good thing since both of us are too busy to look it up
Based on the semantics of your statement, I'd have to agree. I don't know of many liberals who enjoy conservatives.
I don't think that taking guns will solve anything. That being said, I don't really care too much for the way the NRA handled/responded to this. There are always a million coulda woulda shouldas, that doesn't change the fact that a guy with a gun killed a bunch of little kids and none of those s did anything about it either. Just stfu.
I'm in your room, Raleigh!
We do have you all butthurt. Your whining about our arguments to other people now.
How many people have forgotten that a blade is the japanese weapon of choice, and the Gun is the US weapon of choice?
Any stats on Japanese blade weapon deaths, suicides, accidents, etc?
I think those of you holding on to the guns and Japanese idea must keep in mind the cultural differences, and look at those stats.
3 stalkers and counting lol
I'm in your room, Raleigh!
We do have you all butthurt. Your whining about our arguments to other people now.
I am not buying it but whatever. I think you said something re ed and was serious about it, which I then pointed out and you had no retaliation for, and you then try to act like you are just ing with me. Funny thing is, I am not even raging. You can act like I am if it makes you feel better, though. God knows you cuckold ass needs something to feel good about.
lol not buying it. whatever it is.
God knows you need to continue to use the word cuckold to feel good about yourself.
I'm not buying that you've diverted this discussion for any other reason than what I said earlier.
The burden of proof is on you to show I'm in need of using the word.
I'm not making an argument, dumb ass. It's me and God's opinions that you need it.
And based on the number of times you've used it, it's our opinion that you need it bad.
Speaking of burden of proof, is there anything other than anecdotes and tough guy posturing that gives credence to the deterrence argument?
Ever heard of Operation Ceasefire? Zero tolerance advertised to the offending groups. Or is that an anecdote?
You have to look at the common denominators for these shooters. They often want as many casualties as possible, and quite often they plan on being the last one. They aren't interested in suicide by cop though, so they do not go into zones where they might encounter opposing force. They are demented, but not re ed. You aren't deterring them by scaring them, but by making it much harder to get what they want. Even a 15 year old could put on a black suit and go into a school with small children and a few unarmed women and shoot everyone, and perhaps the officer wouldn't be able to stop all the killing, or any in every case, but we don't consider that with other things we use armed guards for, like armored trucks, banks, sporting events and such. How often to armored trucks get knocked over? Imagine the pickup was in a SUV with an unarmed female driving. How often would there be a holdup or shooting?
Deterrence.
I am just amazed that the NRA's argument came down to, "It's not GUNS that kill people, it's violent media!"
STOCKTON (CBS13) – An armored truck employee was robbed of a large bag of cash on Thursday morning in Stockton.
The driver was delivering cash to an ATM machine in the 7500 block of Pacific Avenue at 11:35 a.m. As the employee took the the money bag from the truck, he heard the suspect call to him, looked up and was sprayed in the face with a “caustic chemical,” police said.
The suspect fled through the parking lot on a black mountain bike.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/...-front-of-atm/
DETROIT (WWJ) -Detroit police have recovered an armored vehicle that was stolen during a robbery.
Detroit police said it all unfolded at 7:15 a.m. Monday in the 6400 block of Strong — when two masked men approached workers servicing an ATM and disarmed them.
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/09/...en-in-detroit/
Armored Vehicle Stolen From School District Parking Lot In Thousand Oaks
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...thousand-oaks/
HOUSTON (KTRK) -- The search is on for the man who stole an armored truck at the Kroger in the Heights yesterday.
The FBI has been counting cash to see how much was stolen during this heist, though they never release exact figures. It was a bold robbery in the middle of the afternoon, two against one, and at the busy gas Kroger gas station on North Shepherd at 11th Street.
Business never really stopped. Pumps remained open despite gunfire in the parking lot that stopped Rosemary Perez right in her tracks.
"We heard three, then two seconds later, another three. It was six shots," Perez said.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=8481285
Armored truck stolen at gunpoint from Michigan Department of Treasury in Sterling Heights
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...erling-heights
Now compare that to convenience store robbery where the risk is less and the reward is much much less.
Do you want to take the stance that deterrence is a myth? Do you really believe that?
Do you think the only thing that stops most people from walking into a bank with a gun and demanding money is personal moral fiber? Surely it's the threat of a few things, like imprisonment, meeting someone with a gun, being shot... that kind of stuff. All of that is a deterrent. If it's not, then we sure have a nation of fine upstanding citizens.
I don't think it came to that. They said the media shares some blame for these things. Even the Port Arthur shooter got much of his motivation from media reports on another shooting where they spent an insane amount of time discussing and advertising the shooter, his numbers, comparing them to other shooters etc... His lawyer said as much later.
The media didn't make these people crazy, didn't arm them, but they do their part in the training.
Well, once they do away with our 2nd amendment right, what's to keep them from taking away our first?
deterrence ain't gonna work when the shooter is poised to include himself in the casualities list. cops can't frisk everyone entering the school yard and they wouldn't spot anyone as a potential shooter until he brings his gun out and starts shooting. it's not like the gunner will wait till the cops arrive and the shooting time will last no longer than an earthquake, which means the teachers and students could hardly take any actions to protect themselves unless they have their own guns at hand.
you have armed guards for banks or trucks and it only works because the robbers would assault the targets for the only purpose of taking the cash away, and it would make no sense to them if they lose their lives which makes it totally different from the case of sandy hook. you don't have no real deterrent that works against criminals who're ready to die tbh
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