Cousins-lovers are not true Spurs fans

[Leetonidas]

*slow clap*

Kid is cancer. It's not nobody in spurstalk is watching what's happening with the lakers. You don't win championships without chemistry.

Probably has more to do with their coach that doesn't no what defense is, their old as PG who can't stay in front of his man to save his life, their SG who takes more shots than the the next 3 guys combined, their PF who has mentally checked out and is dealing with nagging injuries as well as being regulated to a corner 3 point shooter, and their "star" C who had back surgery in the offseason and can't jump like he used to or anchor the defense like he used to, the fact that the entire team is old and can't play defense, and the general lack of accountability in the locker room

[baseline bum]

rofl spurs fans. we only want classy players on our team

Personally, I like my bigmen to score more efficiently than does a bad shooting guard, but maybe that's just me?

[ffadicted]

Probably has more to do with their coach that doesn't no what defense is, their old as PG who can't stay in front of his man to save his life, their SG who takes more shots than the the next 3 guys combined, their PF who has mentally checked out and is dealing with nagging injuries as well as being regulated to a corner 3 point shooter, and their "star" C who had back surgery in the offseason and can't jump like he used to or anchor the defense like he used to, the fact that the entire team is old and can't play defense, and the general lack of accountability in the locker room

[Indazone]

Pull the trigger. Having Cousin's on the Spurs would provide hours and hours and hours of entertainment

[Leetonidas]

[Bruno]

Well, the best way for Spurs to get cousins on the team would be to sign Kris Joseph who just got cut by Boston.



















Sorry...

[will_spurs]

Well, the best way for Spurs to get cousins on the team would be to sign Kris Joseph who just got cut by Boston.

Sorry...

[txstr1986]

Some crappy team is going to sell the farm to get him, which will be further evidence of why they are a crappy team in the first place.


I'm looking at you Charlotte/Washington...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The Cousins thing is simple -if you can get him cheap it's a risk you take all day every day (cheap = not giving up TP, TD, Manu, Kawhi, Splitter)

Of course I also said from day one the Kings aren't serious about dealing him, at least not yet, and that some other team would be willing to give up more than the Spurs will

Why would they deal him for a bag of chips? Plenty of teams are willing to take a risk with him, Boston first and foremost apparently. It'll take a star level talent, and probably some 1st rders, to get him.

What's not to like about a center who shoots 42%?

EXACTLY.

Actually, Jack has only gotten in trouble defending teammates. His run-ins with the law have been minor.

But I agree, Jack is regarded as a great teammate. Cousins is a horrible teammate; if you watch a Kings game, you'll lose count if you try to count how many times his teammates roll their eyes at him. They don't even hide how much they can't stand him.

Ruffy is right, no way in the Spurs take on Cousins. I don't care the trade particulars blah blah whatever ... Would. Never. Happen.

Spot on.

Every team needs guys like Jax who will do anything to stick up for his teammates. Cousins wouldn't piss on his teammates if they were on fire - it wouldn't be directly beneficial to DMM-C, so he'd consider it a waste of piss.

Dennis Rodman says hi.

Rodman is an interesting call, but even though he was a team-wrecker in SA when we needed him most, he was also an excellent team guy at Detroit and Chicago. My hunch is he didn't like the clean-living expectations of David and AJ and was rebelling against that.

Here's another thread opening with "your ass ain't black enough to comment". But I agree with you. After Duncan retires, it's probably a better idea to fold up this sonsa in' team and head west than it would be to take a chance on some mother like Cousins, and thus taintin' my 40 plus years of good memories? All kidding aside though, I'd rather take Donte Greene. Not really!

I don't like being classified with Demarcus cousins supporters. I've never once brought up a dmc trade here. Lame generalization is all

Apologies to all greys for the generalisation. I didn't know so many people are sensitive about the colour of their name on ST. I only mentioned greys because I keep seeing rookie posters fawning over Cousins and how awesome it would be if he were a Spur... no, it wouldn't be awesome to have DMM-C in Pop's doghouse in perpetuity, and no, it's NOT going to happen.

I'm just saying, it's undeniable that everywhere Jack has been he has been a headcase for the most part. He charged into stands and beat fans up and fired shots outside of a strip club (I know the cir stances, just saying). My point is that he had character issues that the Spurs were able to manage. Who is to say Cousins couldn't be the same way? It can't help his development being part of such a toxic franchise with ty owners and no smart management. He is the main man, dude is probably the most naturally talented big we have seen in a long time. He needs a coach that he can respect and veterans that will hold him accountable and teach him. He's not going to ever get that in Sac.

As timvp explained best, Jack's character flaw is that he is too loyal and willing to go to extremes for loyalty (eg. both of the incidents you mention stem from loyalty to others), while DMM-C doesn't care one iota for anything but DMM-C.

people are bagging on Gnsf... for what? trying not to languish in lottery mode for ten years. or worse. JazzRocket mediocrity. of course we're willing to take these risks. we're spoiled and and want a consistent contender out of a small market franchise. we dont want TD to be the last bastion of Larry O' memories.

i guess we're not as ready to quietly fade into the night as pick up where we left off Pre Duncan/Robinson as some of you, and thats understandable. and for the record i dont see myself as a "Cousins lover" (sounds like Alabama :-P ) i consider myself a Spurs diehard whose willing to take substantial risks to keep us at the top.

i look at the trailblazers and their cursed luck for a decade, the Bulls slide back into the abyss post Jordan for a decade... and say "that could be us." so yes. im not ashamed to to say those ty franchises, and thier downtrodden fanbase and i never wanna be like them.... its every team for themselves. because mediocrity doesnt discriminate between whose character is good and bad, if that was the case Lakers would have stayed ty when shaq left. we dont have the resources of the Lakers so we damn sure better be able to outsmart them. and out maneuver them.

the rest of you can keep looking at this year and pining for an agressive Diaw, or a consistent Green, or a superstar Kawhi, or Tony Parker to magically elevate his game when it matters most. but those things wont happen. not this year. and not before TD leaves. so what then? what brilliant solution do you have? because id rather die great with mega cancer Cousins than live forever at the bottom like Sunfan and soon to be Mavfan.

Cousins is your way to cir vent rebuilding!?

It is absurd to suggest that any true Spurs fan wants to languish in the lottery, but how about we deal with that when the time is right, not when we have Tim and Tony playing vintage seasons, Manu showing he has something left, and a growing supporting cast? , Pop already proved he could almost beat the Heat without 4 starters!

Jack is a knuckle head who actually cares, probably too much, about his team mates. Cousins doesn't give a about anybody but Cousins.

Yup.

All of that talking, for absolutely nothing. Ugh...how about this...it was a damn joke.

"I don't believe people ever fundamentally change who they are"

Ever? LMFAO that's a bit far...too far actually. There have been far too many people who have fundamentally changed themselves for "better" or for "worse".

You are saying the younger crowd says "yes" about Cousins, you are saying "no". The real answer is...nobody knows. We don't know everything that goes on in his life(of course not) and we don't know what he thinks(of course not). So it's best to not just throw the guy out the window on this.

Actually, no. Both the science of psychology and my personal experience demonstrate to me that very few people are able to fundamentally alter who they are after their early 20s. Read up on it, there's plenty of science on this topic.

As for Cousins, sure none of us know him, but his actions and body language speak volumes. He's a me me me mega-cancer, and exactly the opposite to the Spurs' type of player.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Rasheed Wallace was considered a malcontent and had a bad reputation. Detroit took a chance with him and won a le.

He had anger management issues and drew far too many techs, but was a good teammate otherwise. DMM-C's teammates clearly despise him. See:

Actually he only had a bad reputation against the referees. He was known around the league as an excellent teammate.

Exactly. And although he was a Jail Blazer, those guys clearly had bizarro-world chemistry going.

Cousins could be just the type of player that pushes the Spurs over the top. I don't care about personalities, I want to see an up grade in the talent level especially if it is on the frontline.

So, you think Pop would play DMM-C if he continually broke plays and missed rotations? I don't.

Also, have you ever played team sports? Or watched the Spurs? If so, you should know how crucial personalities, and thus chemistry, is.

(PS I know you're a long time Spurs fan, I'm just needling you. But really, personalities don't matter? You know better than that.)

rofl spurs fans. we only want classy players on our team

No, we only want players who fit the culture (sacrifice self for winning), and who Pop would actually put on the court.

lol at you guys thinking a 22 year old is going to be how he is now forever, not to mention speaking as if you personally know him and everything in his mind

No-one is saying that. What we do know is that fundamental change is very difficult once past your early 20s (read the science on this). If DMM-C ever wakes up and realises basketball is about team we can revisit this discussion.

Personally, I like my bigmen to score more efficiently than does a bad shooting guard, but maybe that's just me?

Me too.

[spurraider21]

Apologies to all greys for the generalisation. I didn't know so many people are sensitive about the colour of their name on ST. I only mentioned greys because I keep seeing rookie posters fawning over Cousins and how awesome it would be if he were a Spur... no, it wouldn't be awesome to have DMM-C in Pop's doghouse in perpetuity, and no, it's NOT going to happen.

Not sensitive about it, just don't like being grouped in with some of the less than intelligent posts on the forum. And I absolutely agree. I don't see any chance that the Spurs brass will make some big trade offer for a guy with his kind of issues. If they were looking to take a risk on a character issue they would have signed Blatche to a deal. They clearly want no part of players like that

[JRHernandez88]

im a true fan and I wouldn't mind him on the team Cousins has crazy potential he just needs to mature into a professional, something I'm sure could happen. Chances are 0 that he becomes a spur tho...

[chapnis]

Unless Cousins has some kind of crazy epiphany I don't want him on this team. And others teams have much more they could offer for him than the Spurs anyway.

[DapDaGenius]

Actually, no. Both the science of psychology and my personal experience demonstrate to me that very few people are able to fundamentally alter who they are after their early 20s. Read up on it, there's plenty of science on this topic.

As for Cousins, sure none of us know him, but his actions and body language speak volumes. He's a me me me mega-cancer, and exactly the opposite to the Spurs' type of player.

Very few are willing to truly change who they are. That is a fact. I'm sure most people are actually able to change who they are, as a person.

Mega cancer? Lame. Find something new, seriously. A cancer is not good in any way. Cousins, has the talent upside. He is young and immature, obviously...he has time to change and mature. Like I said before, if any team can turn his at ude around, it's the Spurs...but will he? I'm not sure.

[alamo50]

Who are you to say what a true Spurs fan is and who would not be Ruffy?!?
Cousins is a beast. He would look great in silver and black in a couple of years from now.

[rascal]

Actually he only had a bad reputation against the referees. He was known around the league as an excellent teammate.

The Spurs were afraid of his reputation, just like they were with Barkley and Sprewell. I remember people in here didn't want to give up Antonio Daniels in a package for Sprewell.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Who are you to say what a true Spurs fan is and who would not be Ruffy?!?
Cousins is a beast. He would look great in silver and black in a couple of years from now.

Surely a true Spurs fan understands the culture of the team? DMM-C is the an hesis of this team's culture, so those clamouring to sign him clearly don't understand the team at all. (Also, the le was clearly )

As I have already stated if you bothered to actually read the thread, if DMM-C ever grows up and becomes a self-reflective human being capable of listening and thus being coached and fitting into a team concept, sure he could be a Spur. But we're talking about right now and there is no way the Spurs will or should consider trading for him given that their success is built on selfless team play and sacrifice for greater goals.

[gee]

flagrant fouls his team out of an overtime victory v DAL

[crc21209]

There's only a handul of coaches who could ever get to this guy, and that's guys like Pop and Doc Rivers...

[doldrums]

flagrant fouls his team out of an overtime victory v DAL

when he negotiates his salary he should factor in a 15% discount for suspensions

[blkroadrunners]

Personally, I like my bigmen to score more efficiently than does a bad shooting guard, but maybe that's just me?

But...but... he has a PER of about 21 ...

[Paranoid Pop]

There's only a handul of coaches who could ever get to this guy, and that's guys like Pop and Doc Rivers...

Meh I don't think Pop would reach him, if they were confident they could turn players around they wouldn't be so selective with who they bring in. Sjax could reach maybe, not Pop.

Anyway the Maloofs are ruining Cousins by giving him full power time and time again, overuling the GM and coach, they can't sell their team soon enough.

[exstatic]

There's only a handul of coaches who could ever get to this guy, and that's guys like Pop and Doc Rivers...

"A coach can't change people," Gregg Popovich said before the Spurs obliterated the Nets on New Year's Eve. "They are who they are. No matter what team you're talking about, a coach can be observant and try to put his team in situations both on and off the court where some of that can develop, some of the camaraderie sorts of things. But you can't change people."

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[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yup, and most people don't fundamentally change after their early 20s, particularly not spoiled brat en lement complex headcases like DMM-C.

Maybe he'll be a changed man at 30, but I doubt it. He seems to honestly believe the whole world is out to get him and that he's a victim, even though he has it all, and that kind of utter delusion is hard to break through.