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    I'm judging with most of the weight on this season. Nash hasn't played much and has been pretty meh when he has played. Lowry hasn't even been the best PG on his own team. In fact, he's pretty much turned into a stat hog coach killer who really doesn't help teams win.







    As for Irving, I can't put him any higher since he's the worst defensive player in the NBA. The absolute worst. I might have put him too high the more I think about how bad he is on D.
    I realize that, but if you're going to do that, then you should specify.

    I agree, for this season, Nash is definitely not top ten, but Lowry is. He get's a bad rep, but I haven't seen him pouting since he lost his starting job and this idea that he's a stat hog is foolish. On a team that's not exactly overflowing with primary scoring options, his usage % is only 23.7 (which is barely 3rd on the team, despite the fact that he's by far their best scorer). As far as him being a coach killer and not really helping teams win, the jury is still out. But it's not as if he's played on great teams.

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    Third worst...... Irving has a better defensive rating than Westbrook and Parker. Wait, Gary Neal and De Colo are NBA players right?
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    I'm a Parker hater and all, but Parker is one of the top three point guards in the NBA. Kyrie Irving? GTFO with that bull .
    ADMITTING DEFEAT? u lack hatred

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    Tony is certainly in the top 3. While standings and how great a pg are not mutually exclusive, they are seemingly pretty close. If the criteria is success, which surely should play a part, then TP should be near the top. I'm loving Tony's energy this year. If he can keeps this up, and the other guys can keep up, we have basketball into the summer.

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    I'm judging with most of the weight on this season. Nash hasn't played much and has been pretty meh when he has played. Lowry hasn't even been the best PG on his own team. In fact, he's pretty much turned into a stat hog coach killer who really doesn't help teams win.
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    Kyle Lowry is pretty damn near an All-Star level player, fwiw.

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    Why the sudden change of heart on Lowry? He was clearly (and still is clearly better than Calderon) the best PG on his team until he got injured. Then because Bargnani got hurt at the same time and Calderon got to play with a more talented front court they started losing at a lesser pace so the coach kept Lowry in a bench role.

    If you have watched them play, Lowry has done a great job of not complaining, playing hard in his back up role and actually has become a more patient player looking to set others up. His percentages have actually gone up as well: Over the last 30 days he's putting up:

    23MPG: 12/3/6 with 2 3's and 1.5 steals on 47% FG & 85% FT . That's compared to a career FG% of 42%. He's not stat hogging at all tbh..


    He has a PER 22.39 (which is 13th in the league), has a win share/48 number of .203 (which is incredibly good - Tim Duncan has .206), and his team scores 3 points more per 100 possessions with him on the court and he's a better defender.

    You should read this: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...-jose-calderon

    Just find it odd that before the injury when discussing Lowry putting a hurt on TP possibly he was a "damn near all-star player", then because he got injured for a little while he all of the sudden is worse than Calderon?
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    calderon is overrated man, dude is only interested in keeping up his efficiency bull low stats crap...

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    kyrie irving? the guy stat-pads on a losing team...the Kevin Love of PGs.
    Dude is nice is . He can ball but not nearly as good as Parker. He is a top 10 imo

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    Generally a fantastic website, but it seems like they let 20 somethings with opinions write occasionally.

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    Tony is for sure top 3, but its Bleacherreport. What do you expect? My dog could write for that .

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    Lol Rubio.

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    TP is #2 or #3 at the least, imo
    I also agree. I say he's better than Westbrook. If Derrick Rose were healthy, maybe he would be ahead of Parker but Parker probably has the best FG% than any of them. Without Parker we would be suckin big time, no disrespect to Duncan.

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    LMAO Rose? that dude hasnt played in a year

    and TP over Brick anyday

    not only is Parker #2 best PGs he should be #4 in MVP race

    frenchman gets no respect. Hopefully he read this today and will go Holy Motors on mofos
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    That's good. Parker needs to play with a chip on his shoulder. He's had too many no shows in big moments.

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    I don't think Parker give a about this thing anymore, he only wants to add his ring count, as much as he can, practically being the MJ of france bball.

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    (Posted on December 22nd 2013)
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...rds-in-the-nba

    1. Chris Paul

    2. Derick Rose

    3. Kyrie Irving

    4.Russell Westbrook

    5. Rajon Rondo

    6. Deron Williams

    7. Tony Parker

    8. Stephen Curry

    9. Steve Nash

    10. Ricky Rubio

    Aside from Parker clearly being more efficient player an Westbrook and Rose missing the season, so far, any other beefs with with this list?
    Which of those would make the Spurs better if they swapped out with Parker? Only Paul and a healthy Rose.

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    That's good. Parker needs to play with a chip on his shoulder. He's had too many no shows in big moments.
    Get the sentiment, but I doubt T.P is roaming the net for the B.R top 10 PG's list they seem to do every other week.

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    Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.

    My top ten off the top of my head:

    1. CP3
    2. Westbrook/Parker, Parker/Westbrook
    4. Curry
    5. Irving
    6. Rondo
    7. Holiday
    8. Conley
    9. Williams
    10. Lillard


    If Rose is healthy when he returns, it probably won't take him long to get back to No. 2.
    Didn't do the research on all PGs. But this list makes much more sense.

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    No Gary Neal? Neal will take 14 shots in 19 minutes to cool off.

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    Kyrie is an incredible player, with MVP potential. This is probably the last year he isn't at the top of that list. In fact, there isn't a PG in the league I wouldn't trade him straight up for RIGHT NOW.

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    Paul was hurt. That has to be considered.
    Alot of Spurs fans won't consider such trivialities. People still claim Parker is better than Paul because 3 rings > 0 forgetting that Paul has been the best player on his team every year and Parker has had Manu and Duncan to team up with.

    As for the topic here, I think TP is definitely number 2 this year over Westbrook. Westbrook may have more explosive numbers but I think Westbrook hurts his team alot by jacking up shots because he's a volume shooter while Parker is much more under control and not hyperventilating over the idea of not getting his 25 shots up.

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    Westbrook may have more explosive numbers.
    per 36 minutes:
    Parker : 22/8, 52 FG% 40 3P%
    Westbrook: 23/8, 42 FG%, 33 3P%

    I take Parker numbers any day.

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    Kyrie is an incredible player, with MVP potential. This is probably the last year he isn't at the top of that list. In fact, there isn't a PG in the league I wouldn't trade him straight up for RIGHT NOW.
    I'm not buying what you're selling.

    1) Hes putting up great stats on a very poor team.
    2) He makes Steve Nash look like DPOY material

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    I'm not buying what you're selling.

    1) Hes putting up great stats on a very poor team.
    2) He makes Steve Nash look like DPOY material
    Cleveland isn't 'very poor'. Their record is bad, but they are a rebuilding team who everyone knew was gonna suck this season, and their two best players Kyrie and Andy have missed double-digit games. If anything, they should probably be worse. Keep in mind LBJ also missed the playoffs his first two years in Cleveland and his teams were atrocious, but he turned out to be a decent player.

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