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    lol non sequitur theater

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    What The 2012 Election Would Look Like Under The Republicans' Vote-Rigging Plan




    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...=Daily%20Brief

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    lol non sequitur theater
    not at all, just continuing the subject of DFW and trash talking it

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    because that's what the OP is about. Right. .

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    The "urban trash" thing didn't strike me as racist at all btw, it just struck me as typical right wing, "Lets jerk off rural America and pretend it's the backbone of America" fluff.
    City folk don't git it

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    City folk don't git it
    Can't trust nobody what don't git vittles!

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    What's behind the Repug states rigging electoral votes to be the opposite of popular vote


    Forget 2016. The Pivotal Year In Politics May Be 2020


    The Changing Complexion Of America

    The demographic makeup of the United States will shift dramatically in the next eight years.


    Paul Taylor, director of the Social & Demographic Trends project at the Pew Research Center in Washington, says the country is on a trajectory to become a majority nonwhite nation by the early 2040s.

    Today it's 63 percent white; by 2020 it will be about 60 percent white.


    "These aren't loose predictions," Taylor says. It's the "future we already know."


    The forecasts made by Taylor are based on immigration trends, birthrates and mortality rates. "As the complexion of the population changes," he says, "so too will the complexion of the electorate. In 2012 it was 28 percent nonwhite, a record. By 2020 it will be more than 30 percent nonwhite."


    He cites several recent surveys by Pew, including one report predicting that the minority groups that helped elect President Obama in 2012 will become a majority of the American population by 2050 and another showing that the record number of Latinos who voted in the 2012 presidential election will probably double within the next generation.


    Such data matter "because our voting patterns are highly aligned by race," Taylor says.


    For example, he points out that in 2012, Obama won 80 percent of the nonwhite vote but just 39 percent of the white vote. Fact is, Obama lost the white vote by the identical margin — 20 percentage points – as Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis in 1988.


    Back in 1988, Taylor explains, "a defeat of that magnitude among whites meant that Dukakis suffered an Electoral College drubbing of 426-111. This year, it yielded Obama an Electoral College victory of 332-206.

    In short, whites mustered 220 fewer Electoral College votes' worth of clout in 2012 than in 1988."


    All of this, Taylor adds, "clearly puts the Republican Party on the wrong side of demographic change."


    In other words,
    the Democratic Party's tide is rising and blue waters are washing over more and more red states.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/01/25/170240...cs-may-be-2020

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    Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six elections.
    I was responding to:
    why don't you guys implement a strict one man one vote principle ?

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    I was responding to:
    is that not the definition of a popular vote?

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    Why did Superman ever stop the Nuke that Lex send to the San Andreas fault? If California had fallen into the Pacific...

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    Why did Superman ever stop the Nuke that Lex send to the San Andreas fault? If California had fallen into the Pacific...
    because he had sympathy for all the Orgeon backwoods inbred ex-military cretins.

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    FLASHBACK: Republicans Opposed Electoral Vote Rigging In 2004, Calling It ‘A Really Stupid Idea’


    The push against Amendment 36, which failed by a 2-to-1 margin, was led by Republican Gov. Bill Owens, who lambasted the idea as a “transparently partisan movement”. Owens detailed his opposition in a USA Today op-ed:

    There’s a transparently partisan movement afoot in Colorado to distribute our Electoral College votes proportionately.
    The goal? To give John Kerry a four-vote Electoral College boost, putting him ahead of President Bush in a close election.

    But that in and of itself is not the reason proposed Amendment 36 on the Nov. 2 ballot is bad for Colorado. The fact is that if Amendment 36 passed, it would forever make it easy for presidential candidates to ignore Colorado, since our state would be an Electoral College “lone ranger” among states.[...]

    Here’s why: Colorado is a state with a slight Republican majority, but which, nevertheless, has a longstanding tradition of electing Democrats to statewide and national office. If Colorado split its electoral votes, leaving just one or two electoral votes in play, future presidential candidates — and presidents — would ignore Colorado and its interests in favor of states with more electoral clout. They would skip over us and move on to more fertile ground.

    National conservatives also criticized the idea. George Will wrote a scathing article in Newsweek, calling it a “pernicious proposal”. Major GOP funders also rallied against the referendum; Sheldon Adelson alone contributed $100,000 against Amendment 36.

    In 2004, Republicans fervently opposed manipulating the Electoral College when the Democratic candidate stood to benefit. A decade later, after Obama won his second term and pundits discuss a long-term electoral realignment, Republicans are abandoning that principled stand in an attempt to rig future presidential elections.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...colorado-2004/




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    because he had sympathy for all the Orgeon backwoods inbred ex-military cretins.
    We are not part of the San Andreas fault.


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    FLASHBACK: Republicans Opposed Electoral Vote Rigging In 2004, Calling It ‘A Really Stupid Idea’


    The push against Amendment 36, which failed by a 2-to-1 margin, was led by Republican Gov. Bill Owens, who lambasted the idea as a “transparently partisan movement”. Owens detailed his opposition in a USA Today op-ed:

    There’s a transparently partisan movement afoot in Colorado to distribute our Electoral College votes proportionately.
    The goal? To give John Kerry a four-vote Electoral College boost, putting him ahead of President Bush in a close election.

    But that in and of itself is not the reason proposed Amendment 36 on the Nov. 2 ballot is bad for Colorado. The fact is that if Amendment 36 passed, it would forever make it easy for presidential candidates to ignore Colorado, since our state would be an Electoral College “lone ranger” among states.[...]

    Here’s why: Colorado is a state with a slight Republican majority, but which, nevertheless, has a longstanding tradition of electing Democrats to statewide and national office. If Colorado split its electoral votes, leaving just one or two electoral votes in play, future presidential candidates — and presidents — would ignore Colorado and its interests in favor of states with more electoral clout. They would skip over us and move on to more fertile ground.

    National conservatives also criticized the idea. George Will wrote a scathing article in Newsweek, calling it a “pernicious proposal”. Major GOP funders also rallied against the referendum; Sheldon Adelson alone contributed $100,000 against Amendment 36.

    In 2004, Republicans fervently opposed manipulating the Electoral College when the Democratic candidate stood to benefit. A decade later, after Obama won his second term and pundits discuss a long-term electoral realignment, Republicans are abandoning that principled stand in an attempt to rig future presidential elections.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...colorado-2004/




    Oh, so this didn't start with the GOP. Remarkable.

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    Why did Superman ever stop the Nuke that Lex send to the San Andreas fault? If California had fallen into the Pacific...
    the responsibility for saving SS/Medicare for an aging public with age/lifestyle-appropriate medical issues would fall hard on the GOP. harder still for the loss of the 10th largest economy in the world.

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    lol...Superman is all about saving SS/Medicare.

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    Oh, so this didn't start with the GOP. Remarkable.
    Repugs were against it, only a few years ago, before they were for it. Same for mandatory health insurance, etc, etc, etc.

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    lol...Superman is all about saving SS/Medicare.
    there's gotta be a better way to depopulate California than nuking it to kingdom come. beautiful country.

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    Repugs were against it, only a few years ago, before they were for it. Same for mandatory health insurance, etc, etc, etc.
    Oh, so this didn't start with the GOP. Remarkable.

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    there's gotta be a better way to depopulate California than nuking it to kingdom come. beautiful country.
    until recently, a fair amount of them were moving of their own accord. Now, it seems to have leveled out and maybe even a small net gain to their population.

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    That's actually an interesting approach...an electoral college type election for the legislature and a popular vote for the exec. At first pass, I like it.
    Yeah, we do that way here, weighed representation for legislative branch in both chambers (the house of representatives and the senate look alike Indonesian style), popular representation for executive branch (whether that for Presidency, city major, provincial governor, anything goes).

    Perhaps the thinking behind this, we understand that people from the rural, remote provinces will be marginalized in the legislation process if we don't give them more voices in the parlement (out of around 240+ mil citizen, more than half living in the Java island, which only represents less than 10 % of our territory, and 6 provinces out of 33). But in the executive election process, everyone voice should count the same, since i think that's the essence of democracy.

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    I guess when you can't win by the rules... you change them..
    More like when they aint' buyin' the manure you're sellin'.

    In the long run, it's just another deck on the house of cards they've been building since '80. The collapse will just be that much more spectacular. They can't stave it off forever, and when it flips, this will all benefit the Dems and marginalize the GOP for an even longer period of time.

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    exstatic: Dems are a one trick pony. They buy votes. Once they cannot do that they have nothing. SS is running out. Medicare is going to be unsustainable. They won't be able to downsize the military much more.

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    LOL Republicans want to gut Medicare, but not for the en led boomers; only for every younger generation, who meanwhile get to still pay into the Boomers' medicare benefits.

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