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    all oil field subcontractors do not offer insurance
    all?

    The hospitals, clinics, docs in ND are suffering because at least some fracking boom companies of NO HEALTH INSURANCE.

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    all?

    The hospitals, clinics, docs in ND are suffering because at least some fracking boom companies of NO HEALTH INSURANCE.
    I am not going to make a blanket statement like "they all offer/do not offer health insurance", but is it also possible that those people didn't take the insurance?

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    I am not going to make a blanket statement like "they all offer/do not offer health insurance", but is it also possible that those people didn't take the insurance?
    we don't know. I bet some of these employers are pretty small operators with NO BENEFITS.

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    we don't know. I bet some of these employers are pretty small operators with NO BENEFITS.
    So then what you are saying is that, at least in this case, it isn't an "evil oil co" thing, it is an "evil small business" thing.

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    So then what you are saying is that, at least in this case, it isn't an "evil oil co" thing, it is an "evil small business" thing.
    slice it any way you want

    My assumption is than in a (job) seller's market with often desperate job seekers, the job sellers won't be delivering gold-plated, or any, benefits.

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    slice it any way you want

    My assumption is than in a (job) seller's market with often desperate job seekers, the job sellers won't be delivering gold-plated, or any, benefits.
    well, its a good thing that they are paying so well that employees can still pay for all of their own benefits and come out ahead.

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    well, its a good thing that they are paying so well that employees can still pay for all of their own benefits and come out ahead.
    anecdotal, again.

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    slice it any way you want

    My assumption is than in a (job) seller's market with often desperate job seekers, the job sellers won't be delivering gold-plated, or any, benefits.
    An oil boom is a job seekers market. Every ing time.

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    An oil boom is a job seekers market. Every ing time.
    so there are more jobs than job seekers? and job seekers can negotiate for a higher salary, bonus?

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    so there are more jobs than job seekers? and job seekers can negotiate for a higher salary, bonus?
    From everything I've read, roughnecks can make a pretty penny. 6 figures in a lot of cases. So, if their employers are not providing insurance and they can afford it, but are not buying it, these are the freeloaders ACA is supposed to penalize. What I don't get, is that of they are paid well, why are the hospitals not billing and collecting from them directly. Set up a payment plan. Bet these dumb mother ers by insurance the second time around.

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    From everything I've read, roughnecks can make a pretty penny. 6 figures in a lot of cases. So, if their employers are not providing insurance and they can afford it, but are not buying it, these are the freeloaders ACA is supposed to penalize. What I don't get, is that of they are paid well, why are the hospitals not billing and collecting from them directly. Set up a payment plan. Bet these dumb mother ers by insurance the second time around.
    According to the article, the hospitals are hostage to bad address info. Cant collect from someone you cant bill.

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    What I don't get, is that of they are paid well, why are the hospitals not billing and collecting from them directly. Set up a payment plan. Bet these dumb mother ers by insurance the second time around.
    According to the article, these people report false contact information. Once they left the building, good luck finding them. Some of that is apparently being addressed by updating to a new system. But bottom line is that if somebody wants to lie about it, the hospital can't deny care regardless.

    EDIT: Teysha beat me to it

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    so there are more jobs than job seekers? and job seekers can negotiate for a higher salary, bonus?
    Just think for a second and you can answer your own question. Hint: Why the does bum ND suddenly have a huge population of new peeps? Do they just like the scenery or are there suddenly a crap load of good paying jobs?

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    Just think for a second and you can answer your own question. Hint: Why the does bum ND suddenly have a huge population of new peeps? Do they just like the scenery or are there suddenly a crap load of good paying jobs?
    answer the question: are there more jobs than job seekers, or vice-versa? Does everybody who goes to ND or Eagle Ford looking for a frack job get hired?

    There was an article in the E-N a couple months back where guys were saying the "really good" jobs in Eagle Ford were available to people who knew somebody. And most jobs weren't "really good".

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    Sounds like an immigration issue to me.

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    According to the article, the hospitals are hostage to bad address info. Cant collect from someone you cant bill.
    Well me for pulling a WC and commenting before reading the full article.

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    Logic sucks, eh WC?
    I guess my point of SpurstTalk with the suggested keywords being on page 3 didn't make a point with you? Only blog type material is running with it. The NY Slimes was the only large news to.

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    Bad billing addresses sounds like a viable reason. I winder if there is a penalty for false address information too?

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    answer the question: are there more jobs than job seekers, or vice-versa? Does everybody who goes to ND or Eagle Ford looking for a frack job get hired?

    There was an article in the E-N a couple months back where guys were saying the "really good" jobs in Eagle Ford were available to people who knew somebody. And most jobs weren't "really good".
    Q#1: are there more jobs than job seekers, or vice-versa?
    There doesn't appear to be much data that is splitting jobs out by industry for that area of ND that is anything approaching current. So, for question #1, I'll go with experiential data and answer "yes", there are more jobs than seekers. Although, that's fairly irrelevant. The jobs to seeker ratio just has to be better than the surrounding areas to draw workers. It doesn't have to be jobs 2x:seekers 1x.
    Q#2: Does everybody who goes to ND or Eagle Ford looking for a frack job get hired? Poorly structured question that is irrelevant. All oil jobs =/= frack jobs. And common sense says, "No. Everybody who goes looking does not get hired." That is true for any job market.
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    binary solution sets are stupid.

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    Well boutons, I've given you a day to respond. Weird. Now answer my question. What are you trying to establish with the questions you asked me?

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    binary solution sets are stupid.
    "Look at the Big Brain on Blue"

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    Well boutons, I've given you a day to respond. Weird. Now answer my question. What are you trying to establish with the questions you asked me?

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