Job hunting tips

[Blake]

I'll trade one anecdote for another. I was out of the military for less than a month and am pretty sure I make double what you make

I've heard people get tortured and/or killed after joining the military.

Is that true?

[BUMP]

You name it. Unless it requires a specific license the military doesn't offer, I'd say they have an advantage.

Any job that requires a minimum bachelor's degree tbh.

I've never heard from anybody that being in the military will give you a leg up on someone else who's competing for the same job with the same degree. That goes with any non-related organization not just the military.

And think about it from the hiring perspective. You want to hire the candidate who's going to be the best fit for your company while you have limited openings. You're obviously going to want to hire someone who has skills in your field. If I was looking over resumes, military experience or any other random organization you happen to be in isn't going to be a factor unless it's somehow related to what I'm looking for.

[AFBlue]

how did this turn into an argument about the military

I fed a few

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Direct quote from the website...



That's not social responsibility without respect for profitability. A better example of that may be the home Chase gives away to wounded veterans for free.

It helps their profitability because the general public thinks they're extremely noble for hiring unskilled veterans. It's similar to hipsters who go to Starbucks because Starbucks boasts about how it doesn't get coffee beans from plantations that exploit labor in 3rd world countries.

Both of us quoting the same article and reading two different things into it. It shows clear bias on both our parts.

But, the fact remains that military experience is viewed favorably and provides a clear advantage in the search for a job. Our Aussie friend Kurt would find hunting easier if he had it on his resume. Can't run away from it, no matter how you try to justify it as something other than smart business.

It's viewed favorably compared to the giant 6+ month long gap a lot of 17-25 year olds have on their resume, that I agree with. If military experience is literally the tie breaker between two otherwise identical candidates, it's probably also viewed favorably, but it's not getting someone a job over someone else with more experience, a more relevant field of study and better grades. Someone who goes to the same college as me, has the same major as me, has the same GPA as me w/ similar internship experience AND also has military experience would have had a leg up on me (that hypothetical person didn't exist though) during the recruitment process last semester, but anyone with my major has to almost try to not get a job.

The beef I think GoodOdor and I have is people delusional enough to think a high school diploma + military experience = being able to get the same job college graduates can get. People who go to college and pick a technical major but have military experience to boot aren't the people i scoff.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'll trade one anecdote for another. I was out of the military for less than a month and am pretty sure I make double what you make.

IIRC, you're also educated and you got a banking job w/o the initiative thing.

[Woo Bum-kon]

[AFBlue]

IIRC, you're also educated and you got a banking job w/o the initiative thing.

I know this is hard to believe, but some veterans actually have degrees when they get out of the military. I know it doesn't fit your puppy-throwing grunt image of the military, but we do exist.

[AFBlue]

It helps their profitability because the general public thinks they're extremely noble for hiring unskilled veterans. It's similar to hipsters who go to Starbucks because Starbucks boasts about how it doesn't get coffee beans from plantations that exploit labor in 3rd world countries.


It's viewed favorably compared to the giant 6+ month long gap a lot of 17-25 year olds have on their resume, that I agree with. If military experience is literally the tie breaker between two otherwise identical candidates, it's probably also viewed favorably, but it's not getting someone a job over someone else with more experience, a more relevant field of study and better grades. Someone who goes to the same college as me, has the same major as me, has the same GPA as me w/ similar internship experience AND also has military experience would have had a leg up on me (that hypothetical person didn't exist though) during the recruitment process last semester, but anyone with my major has to almost try to not get a job.

The beef I think GoodOdor and I have is people delusional enough to think a high school diploma + military experience = being able to get the same job college graduates can get. People who go to college and pick a technical major but have military experience to boot aren't the people i scoff.

I actually don't have much beef with this argument. I'm not blind enough to think that corporations don't expect some profit driven by the positive press, nor am I dilusional enough to think the military is a magic trump card in spite of an inferior resume/bad fit.

[thispego]

http://100000jobsmission.com/more_info



You can throw rhetoric around like "most respected" all you want, the stats show that veterans face unemployment at a much higher rate than normal. If private sector companies really valued military experience and were jumping at the bit to hire veterans, the stats would suggest something different.

The reason initiatives to get veterans hired exist is because they struggle to get jobs on their own once they leave duty. It's something done out of pity, not something done out of the company's self-interest. If it was done out of self-interest, there wouldn't be any initiative. Hiring veterans would take place on its own.

Yowch! Spin it all you want afblue but this is the way it is. It's charity for "veterans"

[DMC]

To the nOPe, I already see your problem, you should have coupled that degree with some cultural studies. You would have been golden.

Start a blog and cut your wrists slowly every day. Write about interesting things like soup and clover infestations. If it gets really bad, film a do entary. You can beg for money here for a Super 8 and some film. 200 should do it. Kill your cousin for sympathy.

But look at the bright side, at least you can look for jobs without some evil gun owner looking at you.

[DMC]

Yowch! Spin it all you want afblue but this is the way it is. It's charity for "veterans"

Doesn't Taco Bell have a pension program?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

To the nOPe, I already see your problem, you should have coupled that degree with some cultural studies. You would have been golden.

Start a blog and cut your wrists slowly every day. Write about interesting things like soup and clover infestations. If it gets really bad, film a do entary. You can beg for money here for a Super 8 and some film. 200 should do it. Kill your cousin for sympathy.

But look at the bright side, at least you can look for jobs without some evil gun owner looking at you.

Brah he's already culturally rich with his degree in psychology. More than you'll ever be.

[ashbeeigh]

I dunno if Human Factors Engineering is a traditional "engineering" degree, seems mostly about workplace ergonomics.

You are correct.

I'll trade one anecdote for another. I was out of the military for less than a month and am pretty sure I make double what you make.

Well how about a round of applause for you. Great job. Apparently it's not hard to make more than me. Which was established -300000 pages ago.

[Expert]

Any job that requires a minimum bachelor's degree tbh.

I've never heard from anybody that being in the military will give you a leg up on someone else who's competing for the same job with the same degree. That goes with any non-related organization not just the military.

And think about it from the hiring perspective. You want to hire the candidate who's going to be the best fit for your company while you have limited openings. You're obviously going to want to hire someone who has skills in your field. If I was looking over resumes, military experience or any other random organization you happen to be in isn't going to be a factor unless it's somehow related to what I'm looking for.

Jobs that require security clearance, operational analysts for defense contractors, any company who works for/with the DoD (including many high tech companies) look to recruit ex-military, especially officers. At least that's what Wild Cobra told me after he tracked me down to the remote island I was inhabiting, using nothing more than a shadow on puffer fish he saw on Blue Planet.

[thispego]

Doesn't Taco Bell have a pension program?

Wouldn't know, bishop ryan

[DMC]

Brah he's already culturally rich with his degree in psychology. More than you'll ever be.

You're right though. I wish I had more culture training and education. I might take out a loan on my house and go back to school for Women's Studies.

[leemajors]

Wouldn't know, bishop ryan

pretty far off there

[thispego]

Yeah right, that dude is bishop Ryan, or a in loser just like him. Lol teenage daughter having a baby. Raised a

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You're right though. I wish I had more culture training and education. I might take out a loan on my house and go back to school for Women's Studies.

Wow, that sounds like it's very culturally enriching. You'll have more cultural wealth than you'll know what to do with. When you go into strip clubs you'll be able to make it rain with culture.

[DMC]

Wow, that sounds like it's very culturally enriching. You'll have more cultural wealth than you'll know what to do with. When you go into strip clubs you'll be able to make it rain with culture.

It'll be a Culture Club in fact.

[DMC]

Yeah right, that dude is bishop Ryan, or a in loser just like him. Lol teenage daughter having a baby. Raised a

lol shacked up in a travel trailer with BSC and mom.

[thispego]

I speak the truth...you don't. Dets tha difference.


So when did your daughter start sleeping around? How long did it take for her to get knocked up? When did you realize there was a problem?

[ploto]

Once upon a time, people left the military and went straight into Civil Service jobs, but that is not the case anymore.

[AussieFanKurt]

just to go back to this.... i've got a few calls.. so far they've been a mix of you need more experience for this role (understandable) and you are too qualified for this job.. we need someone who is after an entry level job.... ummmmm

[The Reckoning]

lol australia. cant you guys just walk into any coles and get a managerial job or onto a construction site and start working your way up?