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Both stupid trade ideas IMHO.
If we could find a way to swap Neal for Red , that would be great, but the rest is garbage.
Melo? lol
Both stupid trade ideas IMHO.
If we could find a way to swap Neal for Red , that would be great, but the rest is garbage.
Fixed it.
Delete the Hedo trade. I don't even want to read it. Who knows what I would do if either of those trades go down.
All I can say is, both trades must be made up by Spurs haters.
Lol at it being a hard decision.
So where's Green for you, better or worse than both? But I wouldn't take back Hedo for Red and that's coming from a Green skeptic.KG probably gives the Spurs a better chance to win this year and his contract better fits with the long-term plan of the franchise than whatever Splitter will sign in the offseason. But I'm not 100% sold I'd do it; I'd have to take a closer look at KG to see if he fell of a cliff this season (glancing at his stats, it kinda looks like he did).
As for the other trade ... it's not a horrible idea but it just isn't that compelling from San Antonio's angle. Re is the best player in the trade but the Spurs have a ton of smallish shooting guards. Absorbing Hedo's $12M contract for next year isn't worth the upgrade you'd get going from Neal to Re .
ESPN is trying so hard to make the Spurs look desperate and in serious need of help. If only they would pay more attention to the team at the top of the standings. Granted... seeding doesn't matter and winning the west won't be any easier, but having that record with injuries to both small forwards, Manu, Duncan and at the same time only having 3 bigs in the rotation is more than noteworthy.
Wow! Two old men, two unskilled rookies and the legendary turd towers. What a frontcourt, Spurs.
Garnett, Duncan, Baynes would be an incredibly tough frontcourt, two proven playoffs performers and defensive anchors plus a strong rebounder who can pulls his own weight and shoot a jumper for a soft big who got hacked last year and is gonna be overpaid this summer, yeah not really a hard choice.Wow! Two old men, two unskilled rookies and the legendary turd towers. What a frontcourt, Spurs.
Splitter so skilled he got hacked and has absolutely no way to make a basket besides the layup
Well we were desperate, that's why the FO finally pulled their fingers out of their asses and took a gamble/opportunity by trading GHill. I'm not sure we still aren't. We got better but are we good enough, still seems like a long shot.
The last team led by a PG had an awesome defensive frontcourt let's not forget...
Garnett, Duncan, Baynes would be an incredibly tough frontcourt, two proven playoffs performers and defensive anchors plus a strong rebounder who can pulls his own weight and shoot a jumper for a soft big who got hacked last year and is gonna be overpaid this summer, yeah not really a hard choice.
Splitter so skilled he got hacked and has absolutely no way to make a basket besides the layup
And Fab Melo, he's dominant. ...in d-league!
Two old men, two scrubs from ty dleague and the legendary turd towers.
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I realize it's not going to happen, but the only way I could see the Spurs even giving strong consideration to Garnett for Splitter-Jackon, is if two things happened. 1) They were given some level of assurance that Garnett intends to play at least another season, if not two and if they were at least fairly confident he could physically hold up. 2) They were confident they could find a legit replacement (not just a body, but someone established, with good size, who's at least got a shot at adequately defending Durant/James) for Jackson.
Even then, as tempting as it would be and as much as I'd love to see a Duncan-Garnett front court, this wouldn't be as easy a decision as it may appear at first blush. His rejuvenated performance post All-Star break last season is still fresh in people's mind, but this season he's fallen further than in '09-10, when he played a good portion of that season with his knee not quite right. He simply cannot play big minutes anymore and can't be relied on for any semblance of consistency scoring/rebounding wise.
fist time poster but been a spurs fan for 17 years!!!
trade option #1: no no and no, splitter is a very good player especially this year his defense, offense improved greatly and a good passing big his +/- are high (on the + side of course), kawhi - if we trade him we would we would have a problem on guarding NBA all star SG, and SF in the likes of lebron, wade, durant and other.
trade option #2: probably a good deal, but both players from magic have a big problem in defense not like captain jack he could guard the nba best, if we need to trade jack i hope we could get a deal like paul george or harrison harnes both are athletic SF and a good defender IMO that could back up kawhi
Boris can play some 3, he can backup KY for 12 min in the playoffs, but then again Pop would most likely go micro with Green at the 3.........
He's really not. People don't attack him as often because the Magic's defense is abysmal so they have no reason to single out a bad defender on that team when they're all a sieve. Can you name even one guy on the team who's average at defense?
On a team like the Spurs, he would get completely exploited. He's a slightly taller, less athletic version of Gary Neal. Plus, dude is getting an MRI on his shoulder, could be out for a while. He would be even WORSE because he would have to learn our system and doesn't have the physical gifts to make up for missed assignments.
Oh, okay, so Garnett and Tim are just going to put aside the fact that they hate each other.
No one easily fits into this defense. Least of all not undersized (6'4", but 19and btw red is a high iq player
he can easily fit into the team concept of san antonios defense
and its not really possible to be a worse defender then danny green at getting through screensBecause screens are the only thing that matters on defense.
Clearly you've never watched him play.if your a SG in SA you need to be able to defend screens/run guys of the 3 point/contest mid range shots which red can do
Oh, okay. I was under the impression that it took more than one stat to prove anything.i dont like this stat but it actually proves that danny is worse since hes the starter on an elite defensive team
Danny Green opposing SG per for 48 minutes = 15.5
Red = 14.3
3 point % this season:
Re - 39.9%
Green - 40.6%
I guess we should keep Green since this "proves" he's a better shooter.
Splitter + Jax for KG, all things considered, 100% approved (by me). And i'm a BIG KG hater out there.
Are these guys even watching Spurs games? Of course not. They have no CLUE how valuable Diaw, Splitter, and Kawhi are. Jax is a different story, but for Hedo?? Niggle, please.
Especially Kawhi. With the Heat and OKC as the favorite, the Spurs may stand a 10% chance?
Without Tim or Tony, Spurs are obviously out of contention, zero chance. But without Kawhi (and no suitable replacement), Spurs would still be able to compete on some level, but the chance also dips to 1%.
10% and 1% are not meant to be accurate, but you get the point.
a lot of bads in one post
no one actually even knows how much tim hates garnett if he even does anymore tbh
whatever happened between them was rumored to have happened in 1999, those 2 geezers probably dont even remember what happened between them by now
and yes san antonios schemes are run in most teams that have defensive bigs
considering that the magics coach is a former spur and they run spurs sets i would say yes he could
defending players around screens is probably the #1 most important thing for a SG
he doesnt have to protect the rim and really he could let his man blow by him like all the other guards on the team do since Tim is there
JJ Re s 3 point percentage with Jameer Nelson and Vucevic creating contested 3s for him = 40% and he does it consistently
Danny Green with 3 hall of famers and the best ever at his position creating wide 3s for him = all or nothing inconsistent 41%
in the past 5 games alone jj re had a 29 point game (better then danny career high) and he had a 31 point game (10-17 including 8-11 from 3 which also s on danny career high)
and the month of january hes putting up 18/3/3.6 on 50/47/88%
i seriously doubt danny will ever sniff those numbers in his career for even a 2 week stretch
also considering the magic are ranked 30th on most power rankings and 26th defensively
danny green having a worst defensive PER for a supposed defensive specialist on the 4th ranked defensive team compared to the guy who cant guard a postage on the 4th worst defensive team is the real
and if the spurs did get JJ Re it would allow Manu to be inserted into the starting lineup
Re has improved a lot on his assisting this year
hes at 23% while manu is at 26%
lol...these "trades" were on a espn roundtable??....better trades have been made up here...
Basically how I feel....I'd love to have Re starting over Green, but I'm definitely NOT down with losing Jackson AND having to eat Turkey's contract.I'd love to have KG on the Spurs, but there's no way I'd do it for Leonard and Splitter, that's just ridiculous
Re would be a nice fit, but I'd vomit if I had to see Turkoglu in a Spurs jersey again..
fwiw Hedo's contract only has $6M guaranteed for next year. It's actually why I don't think Orlando would do the deal.
All Orlando would get is 6 million in savings . . . I think they could do better for Re .
As for the Spurs, Re would be a lot better than Green. But he's a free agent this summer. Even buying out Hedo would put the Spurs in too bad a position to re-sign Re , Splitter and Manu. Can't see it happening. Maybe if Manu told the Spurs behind the scenes that he had decided to retire, then sure.
If the Magic would take back Green, maybe things become manageable. Maybe as a back-up he's useful at his salary, and there are Spur connections there.
I don't know what to say to you but Re is a fine fundamental defender. Andre Iguodala he is not but he isn't Gary Neal either. I think you may be stuck in past opinions when he was a really bad defender. Sure, you aren't going to ask him to shutdown Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant in a playoff game, but he is far better than you are giving him credit for. For the record, I don't care for the trade but I just wanted to point out this incorrect analysis of Re 's game.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...-for-jj-re
http://nba.si.com/2013/02/04/jj-redi...der-the-radar/he Celtics are quite familiar with Re from the Celtics-Magic playoff battles of years past, where Re not only burned them with his 3-point gunnery but his surprisingly good defense. He's quite honestly the best defender of Ray Allen and Celtics screenbuster that I've seen in the league.
He fits a lot of what the Celtics want to do, adding a willing shooter with a little bit of handle who can stretch the floor and defend.
http://basketball.realgm.com/article...landos_VeteranBeyond that, Re does a terrific job of staying in front of his man on defense and uses his hands to control driving lanes and stay within contesting range. He doesn’t have the speed to stick with every mark, but his footwork is tight enough to deny favorable angles to more dangerous opponents. He’s also proved to be an effective funnel for a team with a quality shot blocker in the past, making him that much more valuable to a potential suitor should the Magic look to trade him as rumored.
His improvements have been noticed and are greatly appreciated by Jacque Vaughn, his first-year head coach.
“He's been great,” Vaughn said. “His ability not only to shoot the basketball but create opportunities for other guys on the floor. His ability to pass the ball and defensively he's done a great job of being in the right place. He's been a leader for us. Everyday he's had a professional approach to him. He's helped our young guys tremendously.”
A question about KG's no-trade clause: does it stay intact if he approves a trade? That is, if a team (like the Spurs) trades for him, can they trade him again to a third team during the offseason without his consent?
no trade clauses doesnt mean a player is immune to a trade
if he chooses to waive his clause then he can be traded
the player will only waive his clause if he gets to go where he wants to go
i cant really think of a situation though where franchise type players who get the clause have ever really used it
and the above critique of re s defense fits perfectly with the spurs defensive philosophy
a) Force basline into help (Tim)
b) No corner 3s allowed
c) force long 2s
d) protect the paint on pick and rolls
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