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It is actually an even riskier move for TP to pull and shows he has an extreme amount of confidence in his individual D because Kyrie is the best or second best (CP3) ballhandler in the NBA. Danny didn't have that to worry about against Williams.
LMAO at the beautiful turban at :03 btw... I was surpised to see Parker guarding Irving on the final shot opposed to Kawhi, it goes to show the confidence Pop has in his PG's defense tbh..
It is actually an even riskier move for TP to pull and shows he has an extreme amount of confidence in his individual D because Kyrie is the best or second best (CP3) ballhandler in the NBA. Danny didn't have that to worry about against Williams.
Danny Green is an average defender at best with low IQ on the defensive end (as opposed to the offensive end, where he's in the right spot more often than not). I was hoping he'd round into a solid defender last season, but it seems that his ceiling is being a solid option to put on scoring PGs to give TP a blow.
Um, lol?
You can lol if you want, but he can't seem to stay in front of his man and has a very difficult time navigating through screens. He's also notorious for making those bone-headed "ticky-tack" and-1 fouls. He definitely competes, and his transition D is solid, but I wouldn't call him a good defender. He has the same issues as Neal, but he's just not AS deficient.
Tonight's game was a good example. The guy got torched by a rookie, and it wasn't like Waiters (sp?) was hitting tough jumpers, he was just blowing by Danny on almost every play.
It's true; Green can't stay in front of anybody, his defense is overrated.
I've been on this board for a long time, and I hardly ever read an actual opinion from you. Usually its some form of a sarcastic/humorous response to a post that you don't agree with. Do you care to share your evaluation of Danny's defense, or are you just going toon your high horse?
I'll go with high horse tonight.I've been on this board for a long time, and I hardly ever read an actual opinion from you. Usually its some form of a sarcastic/humorous response to a post that you don't agree with. Do you care to share your evaluation of Danny's defense, or are you just going to
Old ass thread, lol. I did agree with Pop's opinion though. You do not allow a guy to take an uncontested three (and yes, I consider it practically uncontested if you let a guy get into the air and begin the shooting motion before you even get a hand close to him) even if it's a 27 footer when the game is on the line. You get on him and force him to do something. Not allow him to step into a shot which, obviously, extends his range by a few feet.
Parker defended Kyrie perfectly. I don't think Green deserved to be called out since he played decent, normal defense (didn't totally blow it), but technically he could've played it better. These guys can hit froma few feet beyond the 3pt line now. You just don't play conservative D' on the last play when the game's on the line. You have to put all of your energy into it, not sit back and conserve energy until the guy starts to move like it's any other possession in the game. Bruce Bowen and Kawhi Leonard would've never done that imo. Even Parker didn't.
That's a tough shot regardless... not saying he doesn't have the range, but Kyrie was having an off shooting night tonight anyways.
The problem for Tony is that if he tries to pull that physical D on, say, Westbrook, he'll flop and it's a foul.
Parker was awesome, and I don't want to take anything away from that, but Kyrie slipped and never really had full balance. Looked like he double dribbled too. Either way, glad they didn't score and got away with the win.
He slipped because Parker crowded him and he had to try to make a move in too limited a space.
He crowded him and many others have crowded people, but he slipped and bobbled the ball. That happened. That doesn't mean Parker didn't play it well (throughout the game actually). But Kyrie still lost his footing. That did happen. It helped secure the win, so I'm happy with it.
I'm surprised no one mentioned that Kawhi had the assignment of defending Waiters on what could have been last shot and got beat with a step-back. Leonard hit the game-winner a few seconds later, but he had his chance to preserve a tie on defense and didn't get it done, either.
This serves as a reminder of Parker's quickness on D for me. He does have a bit of a problem with stronger guys. Irving will get stronger making him really tough to guard. Leonard has the physical luxury of length and strength, Green lacks both. If Leonard can learn to tap dance like Bowen.... don't think it's possible.
How bout Duncan in the last two minutes... Great hands on those offensive rebounds. But I digress...
Is it me, or has Pop been riding Danny pretty hard this year? He has had some weak games, but I've thought Danny's had an above-average season, which I think is his ceiling tbh.
In some ways, Green has been the whipping boy, even though he's done a lot this season. But I think Pop is hard on him, because Green's "above-average season" is NOT his ceiling. Green will never be an awesome athlete who can finish in traffic or become great at dribbling through traffic, but he can be a lot better than he is. He can become more consistent shooting, especially from mid-range. He can work on finishing uncontested layups. He can become more consistent in his defensive awareness. Green's already working on his drive-and-kick game, and I think that's been going under the radar on this site. If he had any game inside the three-point line, his assist game would improve dramatically.
There's nothing stopping him from averaging 15/4/4 with a couple of blocks and steals and only a couple of turnovers except his streakiness. He may never get over that, but if he doesn't it's not going to be because of his physical limitations.
That being said, this board is pretty biased against him. It's to the point that defending him makes me feel like a homer.
I learned a lot from Mr. Parker's game-winning defense on Kyrie Irving. Unlike the Danny/Mo Williams situation, by bodying up the way Tony did, Kyrie couldn't get an on-balance shot, because if he brought the ball straight up it would have been exposed. When Tony was in his space like that, the only way to bring the ball up is in a circular motion, and then he would have been off balance. Mr. Green seemed afraid of Mo Williams blowing by him, but if he trusted in his help a little more it would have helped. Even so, Mo would have had to try to take a running shot with a long defender on his heels, I like those odds. I was really proud of the defensive stop, and Mr. Leonard's previous clutch three.
Kawhi defended that Waiters shot as well as one possibly can without actually blocking the shot. He got crossed over, but was still able to get back in the play and get a hand up for a good contest. If a rookie is going to hit a tough, step-back fadeway jumper over an outstretched hand to beat you, then you tip your hat to him....and then go back on the other side of the floor and drain a three for the win.
Last edited by Dex; 02-14-2013 at 12:40 PM.
tbh danny is playing very solid D this year, he is not perfect but if you compare the other starting sg in the league, he could be classified around #5 and #10.. wade, tony allen, iggy are obviously far ahead but then it is an open battle.. Spurs fans are just really spoiled when it comes to D as we have always been the best at that..
Parker also had the benefit of only having to guard Irving for three seconds. Green had to guard Williams for eight if I recall correctly. You can't body up a player for that long. Eight seconds is long enough that the refs would be more inclined to call a foul. In fact, I wasn't sure if there was going to be a whistle last night.
As far as Williams going by Green, that's actually what Pop would have preferred. Had Williams gone to the basket, he'd've had to face Duncan's length. Had Green played Williams the way Pop wanted him to, that last-second shot could have been a contested step-back (like the shot Waiters hit on Leonard last night with about eight seconds to go) instead of a contested three-pointer.
Or it could have been a foul. If Green had made contact, and Williams had flailed up a shot, that could've been three free throws. I can understand Green thinking a contested three was better than giving up three chances to win the game at the line. I imagine Pop told Green exactly what he wanted him to do and Green just failed to do it. If he didn't, I don't think one can fault Green's choice too much. I would have made the same decision he did in a vacuum.
EDIT 1: It was 6.7 seconds that Green had to guard Williams, and was about 10 seconds left when Waiters hit the shot over Leonard.
EDIT 2: And Parker technically fouled Irving three times on that play. I don't think it would ever get call on a slipping player, but it's possible that someone with less NBA cred would've had that whistled blown, especially considering that Irving is a borderline superstar.
Last edited by Chinook; 02-14-2013 at 12:51 PM.
yeah, Leonard was a boss to go back and sink the game-winner. In general, he was awesome on multiple possessions at the end of that game. As I said in the Church thread, on the two possessions prior, he had consecutive blocks that should have won the game, but the Spurs missed their shots.
A step-back is a hard shot, but so is a contested three-pointer. Had Pop said Green's defense was good, no one would have questioned it.
Good post. No reason to feel bad about defending him. Most of the posters up here have the critical thinking ability of a brain damaged chimp.
What is going on with Green now is not much different than what went on with Parker when he was young. The hard pushing from Pop, IMO, was instrumental in Parker reaching his full potential as a player. Pop saw there was more and squeezed Parker until he got it out of him. He knew there was greatness in him so he stayed on him until he saw it on the floor. Now with Green, of course, you are not talking about the same level of player...but the method is the same. Pop can see that Green has another level in him so he is staying on him until Green gets all the little things out of his game that are holding him back. All the mistakes that Green is making are correctable and Pop is simply pushing him like he did Parker until Green arrives at the place he should be at as a player. How Green responds mentally will determine the end result.
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