Spurs are interested in Josh Smith

[racm]

If the Bucks would be willing to give up Jennings the Hawks should jump at that deal.

He'd be an even worse Devin Harris in their system. Teague is a better PG than Jennings is (though Jennings LOOKS like he's better because he's a volume scorer who gets a fair share of steals and doesn't turn the ball over that often).

[DrunkTXLabrat]

If the Bucks would be willing to give up Jennings the Hawks should jump at that deal.

why? they have jeff teague already.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

He's even below 50% TS. Being below league average TS% (which is around the 53% mark this season IIRC) is already a red flag, and scoring on roughly less of your shooting possessions won't do for a team that prides itself on getting efficient shots (the Spurs are top 3 in team TS% despite being below average in FTAs, fwiw).

he wouldn't shoot that bad here. pop would chew him out every time he takes a bad shot. plus chip would be working with him to improve his shot.

[lurker23]

So, I'm still not convinced the Spurs have the pieces to get Josh Smith, or whether breaking up the chemistry of this team is a good idea for a loan player like Smith. However, I think combining two of the major trade ideas on SpursTalk is actually more realistic than the two by themselves:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=asohpa9

Edit: Trade machine was having some issues, so here is the trade in text:

Spurs get: Josh Smith
Celtics get: DeJuan Blair
Hawks get: Fab Melo, Stephen Jackson, Cory Joseph, and Gary Neal

In addition, Hawks get Celtics first rounder, Celtics get Spurs first rounder (Spurs get the best player in the trade).

[DrunkTXLabrat]

So, I'm still not convinced the Spurs have the pieces to get Josh Smith, or whether breaking up the chemistry of this team is a good idea for a loan player like Smith. However, I think combining two of the major trade ideas on SpursTalk is actually more realistic than the two by themselves:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=asohpa9

Edit: Trade machine was having some issues, so here is the trade in text:

Spurs get: Josh Smith
Celtics get: DeJuan Blair
Hawks get: Fab Melo, Stephen Jackson, Cory Joseph, and Gary Neal

In addition, Hawks get Celtics first rounder, Celtics get Spurs first rounder (Spurs get the best player in the trade).

change joseph and neal to green and boner, drop the celtics 1st, and the spurs first goes to the hawks. done deal.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

change joseph and neal to green and boner, drop the celtics 1st, and the spurs first goes to the hawks. done deal.

What makes the Hawks add more salary when they're trying to get as much under the cap as they can? This move would be the opposite of everything they've done in the past couple of years.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

What makes the Hawks add more salary when they're trying to get as much under the cap as they can? This move would be the opposite of everything they've done in the past couple of years.

yeah it doesn't work with bonner anyway. here i fixed it. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=asohpa9

[DrunkTXLabrat]

grr stupid links. okay well my thinkin is the spurs had to dump bonner to the hawks. but the trade doesn't work so i dropped bonner. but i like the guys idea. i put blair to celts. melo, green, sjax to hawks. and smith to spurs and it worked. then the hawks get the spurs 1st.

[Bruno]

Spurs get: Josh Smith
Celtics get: DeJuan Blair
Hawks get: Fab Melo, Stephen Jackson, Cory Joseph, and Gary Neal

In addition, Hawks get Celtics first rounder, Celtics get Spurs first rounder (Spurs get the best player in the trade).

Using Blair and/or Neal with a third to give Hawks better assets is a good idea.

An issue with your trade is that it would put Spurs above the tax (Josh Smith has a trade bonus). If Spurs want to do a Kawhi-less, Tiago-less trade for Smith that let them below the tax, Bonner has to be included.

[lurker23]

Using Blair and/or Neal with a third to give Hawks better assets is a good idea.

An issue with your trade is that it would put Spurs above the tax (Josh Smith has a trade bonus). If Spurs want to do a Kawhi-less, Tiago-less trade for Smith that let them below the tax, Bonner has to be included.

Good piece of information to know.

For what it's worth, I think there's a 90% chance that the Spurs either make no trade or make only a very minor trade (likely a Blair-for-pick trade).

[Spur|n|Austin]

Good piece of information to know.

For what it's worth, I think there's a 90% chance that the Spurs either make no trade or make only a very minor trade (likely a Blair-for-pick trade).

I'm thinking the same, no trade..

[eDizzle20]

He'd be an even worse Devin Harris in their system. Teague is a better PG than Jennings is (though Jennings LOOKS like he's better because he's a volume scorer who gets a fair share of steals and doesn't turn the ball over that often).

Jennings is a skilled scorer and still can improve. Regardless of the fact that the Hawks have Teague there is always use for a quality player. The proposed trades on this thread are unrealistic. Every single one has the Hawks only getting expiring contracts and at the very best the Spurs 1st round pick, and btw this upcoming draft is pretty weak.

If I were the Hawks and that is the best I could get I would just do a sign and trade during the offseason. The Hawks will have Smith's Bird Rights so they do have some leverage in all of this even though they will not retain Smith after this season. To me there is no question a team would give Smith a max contract too.

[lurker23]

If I were the Hawks and that is the best I could get I would just do a sign and trade during the offseason. The Hawks will have Smith's Bird Rights so they do have some leverage in all of this even though they will not retain Smith after this season. To me there is no question a team would give Smith a max contract too.

(As always, someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.) The new CBA greatly reduced the power of the sign-and-trade. Since Josh Smith is going to be an unrestricted free agent, there is no benefit in doing a sign-and-trade (from what I can tell). Teams without Smith's Bird rights will only be able to offer a 4-year contract with 4.5% raises, even in a sign-and-trade. The team with his Bird rights can offer a 5-year deal with 7.5% raises.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...pares-last-one ("New Contracts" section)

[eDizzle20]

(As always, someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.) The new CBA greatly reduced the power of the sign-and-trade. Since Josh Smith is going to be an unrestricted free agent, there is no benefit in doing a sign-and-trade (from what I can tell). Teams without Smith's Bird rights will only be able to offer a 4-year contract with 4.5% raises, even in a sign-and-trade. The team with his Bird rights can offer a 5-year deal with 7.5% raises.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...pares-last-one ("New Contracts" section)

Good catch (#91 on first link). Thanks for posting that. Well, now I have to have to think with absolute certainty that Smith will be traded before the deadline.

[Mal]

Using Blair and/or Neal with a third to give Hawks better assets is a good idea.

An issue with your trade is that it would put Spurs above the tax (Josh Smith has a trade bonus). If Spurs want to do a Kawhi-less, Tiago-less trade for Smith that let them below the tax, Bonner has to be included.

Red Rocket to Celts to continue Scal legacy

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

You think the rights to Bertans might be a valuable asset?

[stnick2261]

Probably, but him and Hanga are our only 2 prospects that are actually improving, and I have hopes that they'll join us someday

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

My goodness, I completely forgot about Hanga. You said he's improving, how do you know this? Just curious, I'd like to keep up with his progress.

[stnick2261]

Hanga http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...65#post6340765
Bertans http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...53#post6310053

[BatManu20]

As the deadline quickly approaches, I'm beginning to feel more and more like we're not going to make any trades at all unfortunately. Maybe we trade Blair for a pick but that's about all I can see happening. As much fun as it is to think about what this team would look like with Smith, we simply don't have the assets to acquire him and our draft picks aren't very appealing. The F.O. isn't going to break up this team to acquire Smith when we have the best record in the league as of now and potentially mess with chemistry. This is most likely the team we're going to try and ride to #5, for better or worse.

[look_at_g_shred]

As the deadline quickly approaches, I'm beginning to feel more and more like we're not going to make any trades at all unfortunately. Maybe we trade Blair for a pick but that's about all I can see happening. As much fun as it is to think about what this team would look like with Smith, we simply don't have the assets to acquire him and our draft picks aren't very appealing. The F.O. isn't going to break up this team to acquire Smith when we have the best record in the league as of now and potentially mess with chemistry. This is most likely the team we're going to try and ride to #5, for better or worse.

Probably right...

[Bruno]

Spurs not doing a major trade is by far the most likely scenario but it's also the less fun one. Part of the trade deadline fun is talking about big trade even if everybody know they are unlikely.

[RodNIc91]

Trade tim, tony, manu / fire pop thread!

In all seriousness the trade i like the most is the one that gets us derrick williams

[cheguevara]

spurs are not getting josh smith seriously 11 pages?

[ace3g]

Spurs not doing a major trade is by far the most likely scenario but it's also the less fun one. Part of the trade deadline fun is talking about big trade even if everybody know they are unlikely.

Yep, and it's great watching the domino effect after a big trade occurs. When the Blair type deals happen.