Are you just plain clueless or are you stuck in yesteryear? When Manu was drafted by the Spurs, there were only two GM's scouting overseas and Popovich was one of them. Now, all 30 teams scour overseas looking for untapped talent. The Spurs overseas advantage is gone.
He was drafted last in the 1st round, though. It's only a 1st round pick by name at this stage...
There were actually a lot of decent draft picks in the 2nd round that year (Arenas, Scalabrine, Mehmet Okur... and a total of 7 secound round pick who played 450+ games in the NBA)
Last pick in the first round is not that much different that a 2nd. There's no reason to expect us to pick up another gem like them, but I'd still rather the FO have another pick than Blair.
Manu was drafted before Tony.
Ya, but I was going with the lighting strike metaphor, Tony came over first and proved he was a player ie pick was good ie lightning strike
Casppi for Blair appears to be a fair trade. Casspi makes a little more money, but the gap isn't too large. He's 6'9 and can shoot the 3 at a high rate. Fits the spurs system. He's underachieved in Cleveland, but maybe Pop can turn this kid into a solid role player.
Danny green?
It's weaker (partly because some of their guys work for other teams too), but they still do it better than anyone else.
Bonner and #45 for M.Speights!! Book It!!
Just like the kings with Isiah thomas...last pick in the draft and they pick up this guy..
Speights just got traded, he can't be traded again for quite a while.
Not sure if the CBA changef because I know that used to be the case but FWIW.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/cavs-may-t...eese-speights/
That's not true. He can only be traded in a player-for-player deal right now, though.
So the trade would look like this:
Bonner for Speights.
Blair for a TE and a highly protected pick.
Surely the rule hasn't changed? It used to be 3 months after being traded, or you could trade that player within 24 hours of acquiring him in a 1 for 1 swap.
Uh, he can't get traded back to the GRizz... But he can be traded from the Cavs to the Spurs.
What's the deal with Speights? Is this just forum talk or is there a rumor he's being moved. He was a solid player in Memphis. I wouldn't mind a trade of Bonner and Blair for him and Casspi. He's be an immediate upgrade imo. If he's not getting much PT in Cleveland so why not move him/them.
Last edited by BatManu20; 02-20-2013 at 09:51 PM.
Speights is teh first big off the bench and hes a solid pick and pop option with Kyrie
Thompson is the top 5 pick theyre developing
Speights is a terrible defender. Pass.
As for Blair ....
I approve of the Spurs not trading Blair just to trade him. Doesn't make sense to me to dump someone who still brings in excess value over the cost of his contract.
But, then again, knowing CIA Pop, the Spurs like to pull the ol' "we're taking him off the table" bluff right before making a deal.
I don't want Speights. Philly traded him for a second round pick. If the Spurs had any interest in him they could have gone after him last season when they were in need of bigs.
I am both.
What could have been.
But the players you find at 31, 32 are a whole lot different than the ones you find at, say, 57 or 58.
Manu wasn't just a second round pick. He was the second to last pick of the entire draft...one away from being Mr. Irrelevent.
isaiah Thomas says hi.
Your point? I'm not saying a player taken that late won't ever be good again. I'm just saying the chances of finding a major contributor at 58 or 60 are a lot lower than finding a contributor at 28 or 30.
Besides, comparing Thomas to Ginobili is an embarassment. Thomas is a nice piece, but Ginobili is a HOF'er.
It matters not where a player is drafted, all that matters is if there is a definitive role on your team and that player fulfills that role. Gary Neal was undrafted and there are lots of teams that would like the kind of firepower he provides. The Draft is littered with both failures and successes for any and all teams. For every Manu Ginobili drafted late in the 2nd round, there is a Chris Carrawell drafted in the 2nd round by the Spurs who never stuck in the NBA. And on international players, the Spurs may no longer be part of a select few since the Spurs tree is scattered all over the NBA, but having said that, there aren't many more successful than Parker and Ginobili. Ibaka for OKC is awesome as well as other Team Spain members Calderon, and brothers Gasol, and Ricky Rubio for their respective teams. Perhaps Pekovic of Minnesota and the 2 Russians in Kirilenko and Shved, but even then...there isn't a new influx of possible great role players. De Colo has shown us glimpses and Splitter has come so far from the wallflower he used to be in his first 2 season as a Spur. So, again, the draft ain't the end all be all. It's just another tool that teams use in hopes of acquiring talent that will fit specific roles. Even #1 picks overall are no guarantee of success. It has to be the right player with the right system and that right there is why the Spurs are like Zombies. They only go after players they NEED, not that they think they need and when wrong, they course correct faster than anyone else.
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