Why does christianity dictate that repent and sins are gone?

[spursncowboys]

so it's clear now you are simply bashing me because of prejudice and butthurt.

you're a ing idiot.

Bingo

[silverblk mystix]

you are bashing me for bashing christians, yet you are making my point for me that Christians take the words and use them how they want to.....for wars...killing...accusing...crusades...genocides.. .religious battles.

so it's clear now you are simply bashing me because of prejudice and butthurt.

you're a ing idiot.

You are proving that it is actually possible for someone who was pretty stupid to begin with - to get worse.


What I showed YOU is that you took my words and twisted them up into something that I never said and introduced the word "GOD" and tried to attribute it to me - when I never mentioned the word in that statement.

What it really proved was my original point - that you bash christians when you are no better - or when you are brainwashed just like they are- but brainwashed differently. You did exactly what you bash christians for. ZZZZIIIING!!!!!!!!

But I can't expect an idiot to be able to recognize something that simple.

[silverblk mystix]

Yes, you absolutely do. You have been asked how brainwashing factors into this discussion multiple times, and you have yet to give an actual answer. You have also been asked how burden of proof doesn't apply to God, and your response has basically been, "It doesn't apply because it doesn't," which is a non-answer.

You have reading comprehension issues- which part of - YOU CAN'T APPLY CONVENTIONAL JR COLLEGE LOGIC TO WHAT IS AN UNEXPLAINED/UNEXPLAINABLE/UNKNOWN/UNKNOWING/ MYSTERY - THAT NO ONE CAN EVEN CORRECTLY AND UNANIMOUSLY DEFINE!!!!
Which part of that are you having the most trouble with????

The biggest thing is that, regardless of whether or not what you claimed is true or not (it is not), you have been completely terrible at making your point. Most of what you have posted is gibberish.

You just witnessed Blake read my 2 line comment and (because of his conditioning/programming/brainwashing) completely and unequivocally twist it, distort it, misinterpret it, falsely quote me, and still return and call ME an idiot.
If this happened to one of your butt-buddies who fancies himself open-minded - what do you think happens to someone reading a text like the bible? Both believers and NON-believers alike?

Furthermore - AFTER - you witnessed it with your own eyes --you come back and still talk trash to me - after I had pointed out Blake's brainwashed garbage???? You still need more?

This should have really opened your eyes --so why should I spell it out MORE for you when you just proved how blind and closed-minded you will be when I show you how brainwashing works? I showed you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you R-E-F-US-E-D- TO S-E-E-!!!!!!!!!!


WAKE THE UP -TIME TO GO TO SCHOOL -YOU ARE A BIG BOY NOW -STOP SLEEPWALKING!!!!!!!

[Woo Bum-kon]

You have reading comprehension issues-

No, you do.

which part of - YOU CAN'T APPLY CONVENTIONAL JR COLLEGE LOGIC

First of all, that's no such thing.

TO WHAT IS AN UNEXPLAINED

I am going off the explanation of whoever proposes the existence of a god. If you don't have a definition, then you obviously can't claim that either side is wrong, because there is no criteria to be met.

UNEXPLAINABLE/UNKNOWN/UNKNOWING/ MYSTERY

Which is why you will never be understood, because your objection makes no sense. None of that has anything to do with the fact that a claim must be supported by sufficient evidence for it to be believable, do you not understand? You keep going on and on about how God is a mystery that can't be known, but you never stop to think why? As far as we know, God is a concept and only a concept. God is not a reality. Period. And that concept has no material evidence that shows that is more than merely a concept. Not a single adjective you posted changes that fact.

THAT NO ONE CAN EVEN CORRECTLY AND UNANIMOUSLY DEFINE!!!!

To claim that other people's definitions of God are incorrect requires knowledge that you claim is unknown and unknowable. Another contradiction.

And whether these gods are unanimously defined or not is irrelevant, because none of them have sufficient evidence to support them.

Which part of that are you having the most trouble with????

The part where you accuse atheists of being wrong for coming to a conclusion that they don't believe in God due to lack of evidence. You still haven't explained why one should even entertain such an abstract idea that you admitted was incomprehensible. The most sensible thing in this situation would be to not believe, but you claim, for reasons that are still unclear, that the side that does that is wrong.

You just witnessed Blake read my 2 line comment and (because of his conditioning/programming/brainwashing) completely and unequivocally twist it, distort it, misinterpret it, falsely quote me, and still return and call ME an idiot.

Misinterpreting your argument =/= brainwashing. I am calling you an idiot because you keep posting idiotic things over and over again. You very clearly have no idea whatsoever what brainwashing means, which is why you refuse to define and put the term in context.

If this happened to one of your butt-buddies who fancies himself open-minded - what do you think happens to someone reading a text like the bible? Both believers and NON-believers alike?


Furthermore - AFTER - you witnessed it with your own eyes --you come back and still talk trash to me - after I had pointed out Blake's brainwashed garbage???? You still need more?

This is completely irrelevant whining. Are you ever going to explain how any of us are brainwashed by using the actual definition of the word, or will you continue to babble?

This should have really opened your eyes --so why should I spell it out MORE for you when you just proved how blind and closed-minded you will be when I show you how brainwashing works? I showed you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you R-E-F-US-E-D- TO S-E-E-!!!!!!!!!!




WAKE THE UP -TIME TO GO TO SCHOOL -YOU ARE A BIG BOY NOW -STOP SLEEPWALKING!!!!!!!

Just more of you refusing to explain how brainwashing comes into play.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ACTUAL, TEXTBOOK BRAINWASHING, OR SHUT UP. MISINTERPRETING YOUR ARGUMENT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY IS BRAINWASHED. YOU ARE REALLY STUPID IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MY SIMPLE REQUEST.

[silverblk mystix]

No, you do.



First of all, that's no such thing.



I am going off the explanation of whoever proposes the existence of a god. If you don't have a definition, then you obviously can't claim that either side is wrong, because there is no criteria to be met.



Which is why you will never be understood, because your objection makes no sense. None of that has anything to do with the fact that a claim must be supported by sufficient evidence for it to be believable, do you not understand? You keep going on and on about how God is a mystery that can't be known, but you never stop to think why? As far as we know, God is a concept and only a concept. God is not a reality. Period. And that concept has no material evidence that shows that is more than merely a concept. Not a single adjective you posted changes that fact.




To claim that other people's definitions of God are incorrect requires knowledge that you claim is unknown and unknowable. Another contradiction.

And whether these gods are unanimously defined or not is irrelevant, because none of them have sufficient evidence to support them.



The part where you accuse atheists of being wrong for coming to a conclusion that they don't believe in God due to lack of evidence. You still haven't explained why one should even entertain such an abstract idea that you admitted was incomprehensible. The most sensible thing in this situation would be to not believe, but you claim, for reasons that are still unclear, that the side that does that is wrong.




Misinterpreting your argument =/= brainwashing. I am calling you an idiot because you keep posting idiotic things over and over again. You very clearly have no idea whatsoever what brainwashing means, which is why you refuse to define and put the term in context.




This is completely irrelevant whining. Are you ever going to explain how any of us are brainwashed by using the actual definition of the word, or will you continue to babble?




Just more of you refusing to explain how brainwashing comes into play.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ACTUAL, TEXTBOOK BRAINWASHING, OR SHUT UP. MISINTERPRETING YOUR ARGUMENT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY IS BRAINWASHED. YOU ARE REALLY STUPID IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND MY SIMPLE REQUEST.

This is similar to the Avante thread where some idiot (you? your troll? your boyfriend? doesn't matter) accused Avante of not being correct in what he asserted -his record collection. In the end Avante proved it and the troll never acknowledged it and contiues to this day to act in the same way as before...

In other words...not gonna waste my time when I have already shown you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you are denying it now.

Not worth my time.

[Woo Bum-kon]

This is similar to the Avante thread where some idiot (you? your troll? your boyfriend? doesn't matter) accused Avante of not being correct in what he asserted -his record collection. In the end Avante proved it and the troll never acknowledged it and contiues to this day to act in the same way as before...

Oh, the irony. You complain about Blake lying then turn around and lie yourself. I don't think anybody actually denied that Avante, in fact, had those records after he provided proof. You're making up.


Also, I am not going to concede to you because you have not successfully shown how what you have stated is true.


You were wrong when you lied and claimed that I asserted that I had knowledge that God doesn't exist.
You were wrong when you asserted that I was brainwashed, and you have NEVER bothered to explain how any of us are brainwashed.
You were wrong when you claimed that everybody is brainwashed when it comes to love, which is not only stupid because it doesn't make sense, but it's also stupid because we KNOW how love is caused. Everybody has different opinions about what love means to them, but that doesn't make them blind. How one views the chemical reactions that cause love is entirely up to them. That doesn't have anything to do with brainwashing.
You claimed that people are brainwashed when it comes to the soul, which is complete non-sense because the "soul" is just an abstract idea that was invented by people.
Freedom is a concept and you have utterly failed to explain how everybody is brainwashed when it comes to this concept.
You also never bothered to explain how it is ever wrong to not believe in something that has no evidence supporting it.

In other words...not gonna waste my time when I have already shown you with Blake as the Guinea pig and you are denying it now.


Not worth my time.

It definitely isn't worth my time. You are a middle-aged man who is absolutely incapable of making a coherent argument or understanding simple requests. You're an idiot and a liar, plain and simple. You have been told quite clearly MANY times by MULTIPLE people to put "brainwash" in the proper context, buy you never did.

You posted a definition of brainwash.
You claimed that we were convinced that our beliefs are true, which isn't brainwashing and doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.
You claimed that Blake misinterpreted your argument, therefore making him brainwashed. Not only does that not logically follow, it doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.

Just like Avante, whom you suck-up to solely to be a contrarion (which is probably a response to the fact that nobody here likes you), you act unbelievably obtuse when you get into an argument. You would be demolished in any kind of actual debate, because your position is poorly thought out and poorly supported.

[Wild Cobra]

You're making up. It's that simple.

My opinion is making up?

Once again, the lib in you is showing...

[silverblk mystix]

Oh, the irony. You complain about Blake lying then turn around and lie yourself. I don't think anybody actually denied that Avante, in fact, had those records after he provided proof. You're making up.


Also, I am not going to concede to you because you have not successfully shown how what you have stated is true.


You were wrong when you lied and claimed that I asserted that I had knowledge that God doesn't exist.
You were wrong when you asserted that I was brainwashed, and you have NEVER bothered to explain how any of us are brainwashed.
You were wrong when you claimed that everybody is brainwashed when it comes to love, which is not only stupid because it doesn't make sense, but it's also stupid because we KNOW how love is caused. Everybody has different opinions about what love means to them, but that doesn't make them blind. How one views the chemical reactions that cause love is entirely up to them. That doesn't have anything to do with brainwashing.
You claimed that people are brainwashed when it comes to the soul, which is complete non-sense because the "soul" is just an abstract idea that was invented by people.
Freedom is a concept and you have utterly failed to explain how everybody is brainwashed when it comes to this concept.
You also never bothered to explain how it is ever wrong to not believe in something that has no evidence supporting it.





It definitely isn't worth my time. You are a middle-aged man who is absolutely incapable of making a coherent argument or understanding simple requests. You're an idiot and a liar, plain and simple. You have been told quite clearly MANY times by MULTIPLE people to put "brainwash" in the proper context, buy you never did.

You posted a definition of brainwash.
You claimed that we were convinced that our beliefs are true, which isn't brainwashing and doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.
You claimed that Blake misinterpreted your argument, therefore making him brainwashed. Not only does that not logically follow, it doesn't match the definition that YOU posted.

Just like Avante, whom you suck-up to solely to be a contrarion (which is probably a response to the fact that nobody here likes you), you act unbelievably obtuse when you get into an argument. You would be demolished in any kind of actual debate, because your position is poorly thought out and poorly supported.

Why am I not surprised?

Tons of blindness here.

#1) If you know anything about how the mind works - here is something for you to ponder;
When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.
You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

#2) Why ask for more proof from someone you have concluded is a (insert labels here) ?

#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

#4) Yes, I am being an idiot here- because I know it will be a waste of time....but I'll humor you...


So...

Since we haven't even agreed on what brainwashing means - we can't really debate it can we? So as a last chance I will post an example and if you agree that it is an example of brainwashing...then I will make time this evening and show you exactly how MOST people in the world are brainwashed/asleep/blind, etc....

You still won't see, won't be open , wont even give credit because you are indeed brainwashed and blind...but just for s and giggles here goes;


Would you agree that a person is brainwashed if;
He is in touch with reality and then - someone re-programs his mind so much that after this re-programming - this same person can not see reality anymore?
This newly programmed person will not even know he has been brainwashed because everything he sees and believes now - he considers fact. He won't even
question his beliefs and will actually get defensive if someone should ever accuse him of being brainwashed. Is this person brainwashed?

Is this brainwashing?


If you agree that it is - I will show you how almost everyone on the planet is brainwashed. This evening.


If you don't consider this brainwashing or want to have another go-round at semantics - then I guess we have nothing more to talk about.

You decide at your own peril.

[Blake]

My opinion is making up?

Once again, the lib in you is showing...

your opinion that repentance must not be based on self preservation in order to be genuine is based on nothing but your ass. In fact, preachers love to point out that is waiting if you don't repent.

once again, the ing idiot in you is showing.

[Blake]

Why am I not surprised?

Tons of blindness here.

You have to not be blind in order to evaluate someone else's blindness.

You keep saying you have never said you are enlightened, but this is really you saying you are.

You're just too blind to know it.

#1) If you know anything about how the mind works - here is something for you to ponder;
When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.
You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

#2) Why ask for more proof from someone you have concluded is a (insert labels here) ?

#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

#4) Yes, I am being an idiot here- because I know it will be a waste of time....but I'll humor you...


So...

Since we haven't even agreed on what brainwashing means - we can't really debate it can we? So as a last chance I will post an example and if you agree that it is an example of brainwashing...then I will make time this evening and show you exactly how MOST people in the world are brainwashed/asleep/blind, etc....

You still won't see, won't be open , wont even give credit because you are indeed brainwashed and blind...but just for s and giggles here goes

psychology expert!

If you agree that it is - I will show you how almost everyone on the planet is brainwashed. This evening.

Lets say it is. I reeeeeeallly want to see this.

You decide at your own peril.

Roflmao.

Good stuff today.

[LnGrrrR]

Why am I not surprised?

Tons of blindness here.

#1) If you know anything about how the mind works - here is something for you to ponder;
When someone reaches a "conclusion" about something - he has stopped seeing. At that moment you close yourself off to truth.
You have come to the conclusion that I am a (insert labels here) so anything I say - you will be blind and deaf to.

That sounds like a conclusion that you have come to right there.

#3) It is a waste of time trying to teach a pig to sing (in this scenario you are the pig) - you will never succeed and it will only irritate the pig.

You're CONCLUDING that he is a pig.

[silverblk mystix]

That sounds like a conclusion that you have come to right there.

Not exactly. Re-read his post and Blake's post where they both assert and conclude that I am a (insert labels) . This is a conclusion that they both apparently reached, so whatever he is asking me to provide will be missed.





You're CONCLUDING that he is a pig.

Wrong again skippy - the conclusion is that it will be a waste of time. Try to keep up.

[LnGrrrR]

Wrong again skippy - the conclusion is that it will be a waste of time. Try to keep up.

You've reached a conclusion that as soon as someone reaches a conclusion they stop seeing.

You've also admitted you're concluding that it will be a waste of time, meaning you've blinded yourself, using your logic.

[DisAsTerBot]

This is epistemology and the nature of the skeptic is to not believe something until given a reason to believe something. Belief has to be earned and be repeatable under that paradigm.

There is no reason to believe in God so you do not.

Brainwashing implies that you were taught a particular behavior and that particular behavior is 'washed' away to be replaced by something else. For SM to be right, that would have to mean that belief in God is inherent and it is externally removed by some 'brainwashing.' In short, that is bull . There is no inherent reason to believe in the Christian faith. Indoctrination of a clean slate is not brainwashing but proselytization can be either or.

I love how Silverblk mystix didn't even bother to respond to this post.

were you blind to this post?

[silverblk mystix]

You have to not be blind in order to evaluate someone else's blindness.

You keep saying you have never said you are enlightened, but this is really you saying you are.

You're just too blind to know it.

I am human so - yes - I am part of the blind/brainwashed/asleep/ Everyone is except for the rare mystic, very young child, or the very rare one in a billion awakened person.
The level of brainwashing that you, Woo-Bung Hole or myself have recieved might vary but it is there all the same/



psychology expert!



Lets say it is. I reeeeeeallly want to see this.
Wasn't asking you - you haven't admitted how wrong you were when you twisted my two sentence comment into something it never was. You demonstrated pretty convincingly how two simple sentences can be completely misconstrued by a brainwashed reader who only sees through his distorted misperceptions, false beliefs and deep programming. You should be the LAST person that should want to see how a brainwashing happens. It could severely damage you --if you recognize yourself. It could also help you - but I would pay money to actually see you being open and honest enough with yourself to actually admit it and improve yourself.


Roflmao.

Good stuff today.

Indeed. Lots of blindness too.

[Blake]

I am human so - yes - I am part of the blind/brainwashed/asleep/ Everyone is except for the rare mystic, very young child, or the very rare one in a billion awakened person. The level of brainwashing that you, Woo-Bung Hole or myself have recieved might vary but it is there all the same/

Indeed. Lots of blindness too.

one in a billion is enlightened? Where are you getting this from? A movie?

No loaded: Give a name of one person that you are referring to and explain how you know that they aren't blind like you.

[silverblk mystix]

You've reached a conclusion that as soon as someone reaches a conclusion they stop seeing.

You've also admitted you're concluding that it will be a waste of time, meaning you've blinded yourself, using your logic.

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

[silverblk mystix]

I love how Silverblk mystix didn't even bother to respond to this post.

were you blind to this post?

I haven't had time as I generally am multi-tasking (at work/wherever) and I usually run in here and hastily post. But I will get to it since you are interested...but why do you care about another posters post?

Let me know.

[Blake]

I haven't had time

Clearly.

[Blake]

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

Don't anyone say I never admit to being wrong.

props to lol utsa fan.

Close minded fool.

[silverblk mystix]

Close minded fool.

So there is hope for you - you once admitted to being wrong. I will take your word for it. Remain open.

[DisAsTerBot]

I haven't had time as I generally am multi-tasking (at work/wherever) and I usually run in here and hastily post. But I will get to it since you are interested...but why do you care about another posters post?

Let me know.

you're right, why would i care what another poster posts on a message board i frequent???

[DisAsTerBot]

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

wow, irony is totally lost on you. Among other things

[LnGrrrR]

Going by your post count - you have been here a looong time. So I will ask you a simple,direct question.

In all the years you have been here - have you ever witnessed a Spurstalk poster - say something like this;

"You were completely right. I was wrong. I learned something here today and I thank you for your part in this."

Have you?


That would be a bonafide miracle - but it will never happen. Knowing this - I stand by my conclusion that you are referring I made - but I would absolutely admit my error if and when ANY poster proves me wrong and/or admits when they were wrong.

Sure. Not exactly in those words, per se, but even WC has admitted he was wrong before. Looks like you've made a wrong conclusion.

[silverblk mystix]

wow, irony is totally lost on you. Among other things

Ok, so trying to talk to you will be wasting time so I will re-phrase my last response since I have read your latest posts;

None of your in' business - but fyi that post didn't interest me in the least and I didn't feel like wasting additional time in something that really didn't interest me.