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    Honestly I am not sold on Nando's ability to be a full-time PG. Never been since his arrival. He is a turnover machine as a PG. To me he is a 2 with great passing abilities, Manu-like.
    im not sold on De Colo's full time ability to be a 2 Guard. His scoring ability is mediocre and his variety of ways to score is anemic. To me his a tall PG, who needs more time in the system.

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    Trade him while he seems to have value.
    LOL!

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    Plus, I think we should be more patient with Cory. SA absolutely knew he was raw when they drafted him. Most scouts said he should have stayed in college instead of leaving so early, so taking him with our 1st round pick was all about potential, not short-term production. I think Cojo will end up surprising a lot of people once he gets his chance. I've always liked him as prospect.

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    It's basically a contract year for Mills, NDC and CoJo next year. Who stays on the team after next year is anyone's guess. We know how players get themselves into Pop's doghouse. When that happens, it's all up in the air. Until then, they all need to absorb as much basketball IQ on the Spurs system as they can. Pop likes smart players and PG needs to make the right decisions. Right now I think CoJo has to grow A LOT to make it after next season. Not a knock on him, just that we have 3 backup PG and we really only need 2 (Plus Manu plugs very well into limited minutes at PG). If we're keeping an extra spot for development, it should be for a 3, 4 or 5, not a 1. I don't like any of these guys as an extra 2 either, I think we can get a better pure shooter/defensive player.

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    Plus, I think we should be more patient with Cory. SA absolutely knew he was raw when they drafted him. Most scouts said he should have stayed in college instead of leaving so early, so taking him with our 1st round pick was all about potential, not short-term production. I think Cojo will end up surprising a lot of people once he gets his chance. I've always liked him as prospect.
    True. He'll get his chance next year, but he'll still be incredibly young. Hope he can make that leap.

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    im not sold on De Colo's full time ability to be a 2 Guard. His scoring ability is mediocre and his variety of ways to score is anemic. To me his a tall PG, who needs more time in the system.
    I don't disagree with you and that's probably the reason why we still don't know if he will be a PG or a SG in the future. In my opinion, it's easier to fix his broken jump-shot (working with Chip) than fixing his whole game in order to become a full-time PG in the NBA. It's much harder to be a PG than a SG in the NBA.

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    Every minute Cory has seen as a Spur, he has tried hard, and played with all his ability on defense. I think he has enormous upside, he can score, and he can facilitate. But it's that defense that I'm looking forward to seeing develop, it shows promise already.

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    I had court-side seats for the final Clippers game last season. Los Angeles had pulled away at the end, so Pop took out the starters. The Clippers didn't do the same, and it meant that Joseph had to guard Paul for the last minute or so. I was right next to them when Paul iso'd at the left wing. Out of no where, Cory shouted at him. He started egging Paul on to try to beat him off the dribble. Paul tried initially before just scoring on a pull-up (a pointless basket). Joseph showed me something that game. I like his fire.

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    How can people disparage CoJo at all? Sure, he's playing in the D-League, but as a Spurs fan you have to be thrilled with the jumps he has made. He now looks like he has a shot at being a valuable rotation member one day. From where he started to now? That is tremendously exciting for the Spurs.

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    He was all right in Europe. Another summer with Chip will help him.
    His shot actually seems to be improving through out the season. Since that Miami game he seems to be shooting the 3 ball with much more confidence.

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    I had court-side seats for the final Clippers game last season. Los Angeles had pulled away at the end, so Pop took out the starters. The Clippers didn't do the same, and it meant that Joseph had to guard Paul for the last minute or so. I was right next to them when Paul iso'd at the left wing. Out of no where, Cory shouted at him. He started egging Paul on to try to beat him off the dribble. Paul tried initially before just scoring on a pull-up (a pointless basket). Joseph showed me something that game. I like his fire.
    I sit court side at the toros games and see the same thing. He's got a few things he needs to work on, but he's moving forward in the right direction.

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    Mills has had the same opportunities as De Colo and has not produced. Mills is the one that should be in the Dleaugue. He always looks lost when he is on the floor and for someone that's suppose to be a lights out shooter, he can't hit . I rather have Neal at pg than Mills.
    Stats don't agree with you brother.

    Per 36
    PTS = Neal > Mills > De Colo
    3PT% = Mills > De Colo > Neal
    FG % = Mills > De Colo > Neal
    FT % = Mills > Neal > De Colo
    ORtg = Mills > Neal > De Colo
    AST = De Colo > Mills > Neal
    STL = Mills = De Colo > Neal
    DRtg = De Colo > Mills > Neal
    WS/48 = Mills > De Colo > Neal

    Could be skewed because it comes in garbage time, but again, that points to the fact that Mills hasn't been given a consistent shot like Neal was. I'm not saying he's better than NDC or even Neal right now but he is very much comparable to Neal, seems to be shooting better, is younger, won't be a FA, and is averaging the least amount of minutes of the three. We know what Neal at PG equates to, and it is nothing but a liability against deep teams. If I were Pop I would groom NDC and Mills from here on out and use Neal as what he actually is, a microwave off the bench.

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    Better than Neal at the point guard position, but he's not better than Neal overall.
    Not sure about that tbh. Neal is a one-trick pony and he just hasn't been consistent enough with that trick to warrant PT when all guards are healthy.

    At least with CoJo you have someone playing a position that is natural to them and knows what is required to do it successfully.

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    I don't think the plan was for Cory to play in his first 2 years. I think they saw a guy with tools(Size, shooting, defensive ability) who could be really good, and didn't love another guy in that spot.

    For Cory, I think he wanted to play PG full time, and Kybongo arriving might have meant time off ball, which wouldn't have been great for his development as a PG.

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    Better than Neal at the point guard position, but he's not better than Neal overall.
    Running the backup pg position? Are you being serious?

    Neal does one thing better...shoot the three, and he isn't even doing that better of late.

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    cojo has proven he can get to & finish at the rim on the nba level .................. nado can not finish at the rim ......................

    cojo has had multiple spectacular spin moves in an nba game ..................

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    Running the backup pg position? Are you being serious?

    Neal does one thing better...shoot the three, and he isn't even doing that better of late.
    Yes, I am serious. Cojo has not proven he can create his own shot at the NBA level, or in general be an effective shooter. Neal has done so consistently — particularly in the playoffs. Cory has great potential, and is probably better at running the backup PG position than Neal, but Neal is a better NBA player as of right now, by virtue of having played in the NBA for 3 years and succeeded. Playing in the NBA is about filling a niche. Neal fills his real niche just about perfectly, which is why he is in the NBA and not the D-League like Joseph. One day, Joseph's skills may allow him to fill the niche he was drafted to fill, but until he plays consistently in the NBA against NBA-level compe ion, he is not better than Neal. We can't make inferences based on his performances against D-League level talent.

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    I think the CoJo "hate" is pretty funny tbh. De Colo and Mills have both been given opportunity to secure the role of backup PG, and neither has played consistently enough to do so.

    Seems like Joseph should at least be given an opportunity to prove he can be a consistent player for the big club.

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    Yes, I am serious. Cojo has not proven he can create his own shot at the NBA level, or in general be an effective shooter. Neal has done so consistently — particularly in the playoffs. Cory has great potential, and is probably better at running the backup PG position than Neal, but Neal is a better NBA player as of right now, by virtue of having played in the NBA for 3 years and succeeded. Playing in the NBA is about filling a niche. Neal fills his real niche just about perfectly, which is why he is in the NBA and not the D-League like Joseph. One day, Joseph's skills may allow him to fill the niche he was drafted to fill, but until he plays consistently in the NBA against NBA-level compe ion, he is not better than Neal. We can't make inferences based on his performances against D-League level talent.
    What opportunity has Joseph had to prove anything? From what I recall, Joseph has played solid mistake-free ball in his very limited minutes.

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    Even if Nando isn't putting up numbers, lately he's shown the ability to run the offense fluidly, which is all the backup pg needs to do. His defense has also been better than anything Neal can do. It's pretty apparent at this point Mills is just pure energy and isn't somebody I'd like to see play extended minutes unless he's simply on fire.

    I do want CoJo to get a shot next season for sure. He's got the potential to be a good starter in my eyes. Dynamite defender and an ever improving offensive game. I think there's a decent chance Neal bolts because he will get overpaid somewhere. Good for him tbh. Green is going to start at shooting guard and get big minutes with Manu off the bench, so there's no need for Neal if we have TP, De Colo, and CoJo at the pg spot.

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    How can people disparage CoJo at all? Sure, he's playing in the D-League, but as a Spurs fan you have to be thrilled with the jumps he has made. He now looks like he has a shot at being a valuable rotation member one day. From where he started to now? That is tremendously exciting for the Spurs.
    Exactly, I think he can make a great impact defensively while still running the offense; his jump shot will only get better. Parker needs to teach him the tear drop. He has the ability to shoot 3s if defender goes under screens as well.

    Like Kawhi, CJ is still suppose to be in college technically.

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    Honestly, if Cojo was actually going to be a really good player, he wouldn't be stuck in the D-League at this point in his career. People need to realize that. At best, he'll be a fringe NBA player who may be a team's 2nd or 3rd string PG.

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    Honestly, if Cojo was actually going to be a really good player, he wouldn't be stuck in the D-League at this point in his career. People need to realize that. At best, he'll be a fringe NBA player who may be a team's 2nd or 3rd string PG.
    He's a rookie! LOL! It's not like he's been around for a couple years. He can't even legally drink in Texas.... and there's talk about "at this point in his career"... LOL!!!

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    He's a rookie! LOL! It's not like he's been around for a couple years. He can't even legally drink in Texas.... and there's talk about "at this point in his career"... LOL!!!
    This is his second season.

    And if he was any good, he wouldn't play in the D-League at all, certainly not in his second season. He's 21 and a half. How is he not able to legally drink in Texas?

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    Honestly, if Cojo was actually going to be a really good player, he would be an NBA rotation player in what should've been his junior season at UT. People need to realize that. At best, he'll be a fringe NBA player who may be a team's 2nd or 3rd string PG.
    Does it seem the same when it's phrased like that?

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