Yes, and it makes you wonder who's poll they are using.
Seiously. Do you remember 2003? Nodody I knew though Saddam had anything to do with it.
Back to the rest of the poll. Professional polsters can manipulate the questions and order of question, to put a certain mindset in a persons head.
Again, what were the questions leading up to the questions about Saddam and his role in 911?
Without complete context, the poll is meaningless.
..or maybe they were watching FOX news ( http://fair.org/take-action/action-a...ission-report/ )
"I agree with Jeff. I mean, the fact that the administration's arguments for going against Iraq was not because it caused 9/11. Now, it's true that a lot of Americans did conflate the two and did think that Saddam Hussein had something to do with it." (In fact, a poll found that Fox viewers were the most likely news consumers to believe this unsubstantiated claim--PIPA, 10/2/03.)
The only link Bush was trying to make was Saddam's willingness to help Al Qaeda, specifically, allowing them to train in Iraq. He never tried to say Saddam had a part in the 9/11 attacks outside of associating with them.
Please show me a Fox News report that said Saddam had an active part in 9/11.
Funny how you link an article where Hume says Bush never made such a claim. It's the mischaracterization of the M$M's. Not the administration.
okay. the point of the article was to illustrate how even cheney admitted it would not seem unreasonable for americans to make that connection so it did not surprise him that the polls being conducted at the time were yielding the results they did. and i pasted that particular section because it mentioned that FOX viewers were the ones who were apparently more likely to make that assertion according to some poll results. the rhethoric during that time was no where near as benign as you seem to recall in regard to iraq and its relations to terror.
even if not specifically connected to 9-11, the point of the OP is that the good guys versus the muslims perception has not gone away. whether it was FOX in 2003 or affleck in 'Argo' adding to the current sentiments regarding iran.
I am obligated to point out your claim that Saddam allowed Al Qaeda to train in Iraq is unsupported.
It has weak evidence, unlike who ever perpetrated misleading people to believe that Saddam had direct connections to 9/11.
My point is that was the only Saddam/Al Qaeda connection Bush was making. Did those polling people purposely pick a stupid group of people?
Which is?Oh, Cheney just threw out the Mohammed Atta meeting Iraqi intel in Prague story out there and let the public draw their own conclusions. It's not rocket science.unlike who ever perpetrated misleading people to believe that Saddam had direct connections to 9/11.
Repugs and right-wingers here lying about the LIES dubya/ head/rummy/condi/powell told about Saddam is the equivalent of neo-Confederates LYING that the South seceding was NOT to protect their property of millions of slaves.
Please show me evidence.
the evidence you should be looking for is any connection between iraq and al qeada.
where there is zero evidence.
Fine. Let's assume there was zero. Why are people stupid enough to believe Saddam was directly connected to 9/11? Nobody on the conservative side was saying it. If so, show me wrong.
head started it and kept REPEATING THE LIE that Saddam was involved with 9/11, even REPEATING THE LIE after dubya publicly said there was no connection.
http://articles.cnn.com/2005-06-29/p..._s=PM:POLITICSGOP lawmaker: Saddam linked to 9/11
June 29, 2005
A Republican congressman from North Carolina told CNN on Wednesday that the "evidence is clear" that Iraq was involved in the terrorist attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001.
"Saddam Hussein and people like him were very much involved in 9/11," Rep. Robin Hayes said.
Told no investigation had ever found evidence to link Saddam and 9/11, Hayes responded, "I'm sorry, but you must have looked in the wrong places."
Hayes, the vice chairman of the House subcommittee on terrorism, said legislators have access to evidence others do not.
Earlier, Cheney repeatedly leaked supposed intel on the link to news outlets then discuss them that weekend on the Sunday shows. He would always intimate the link between Saddam and 9/11 and never refute it. Even if others in the administration tried to walk back, what Cheney said was out there.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0916-02.htm
Hey Dumb Chump...
That statement is after the 2003 poll. Not before...
Is this how revisionist history looks in action?
Hey, genius -- you asked, I answered. Don't move the goalposts now that you don't like the answer. Thanks for not reading the second link. You act like you weren't alive back then or simply incredibly ignorant. I'll believe the latter.
I didn't move the goal post. I was asking what prompted people to believe how they answered on a 2003 poll, and your answer is a 2005 statement by another moron.
If you want to call a GOP congressman a moron, go ahead on.
Thanks for not reading the second link after I specifically pointed out you didn't read it the first time.
What are you talking about? I read both. Common Dreams is meaningless bull . What quote are you twisting this time?
This?
Dismiss an unknown as known not to be true? That doesn't mean they said it was true now, does it?Vice President Cheney, anxious to defend the White House foreign policy amid ongoing violence in Iraq, stunned intelligence analysts and even members of his own administration this week by failing to dismiss a widely discredited claim: that Saddam Hussein might have played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks.
What is your point? I see none.
The next paragraph maybe?
Connections... Do you mean like six degrees of separations?But Cheney left that possibility wide open in a nationally televised interview two days ago, claiming that the administration is learning "more and more" about connections between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the Sept. 11 attacks. The statement surprised some analysts and officials who have reviewed intelligence reports from Iraq.
You think you're so smart. Spell it out. Who said Saddam had a direct role in 9/11 before that poll.
Who said what?
I most certainly don't hope you are hanging your hat on this:
What does that have to do with 9/11?"We learn more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s," Cheney said, "that it involved training, for example, on [biological and chemical weapons], that Al Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems."
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NBC Transcript you loved Common Dreams is based on:
How is that a Yes or No response without certainty? He goes on talking about the 1993 bombing you head. Not the incident on 9/11/01.MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection.
MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago.
Link please.
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