Has Kawhi surpassed Manu?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Its a tribute to Kawhi's potential that his performance is being talked in the same sentence as Manu's. Kawhi & Green in many ways (but quite differently as well) remind a lot of the young Manu and the young SJax combo in 2003.

[100%duncan]

Let's put it simply tbh.

We need Kawhi more to win it all.

[jermaine]

Kawhi doesn't finish well at the rim well enough to even think of the convo. If he isn't dunking, then he's just a shade over green at finishing around the rim. Now I'd much rather see Kawhi shoot the 3 ball than manu . But Turnobili as some call him, can still run an offense. Leanord, Green, Tiago, nor Neal can. But I am going to replace my spurs jerseys with Leanord's Spurs jerseys. Lmao

[urunobili]

I propose to revisit this thread after the season is over for the Spurs...

[Fireball]

I don't care tbh. I just love to watch Kawhi get better and also hope that Manu can get his act together in the playoffs at the latest. His bad free throw shooting shows that he is not in his typical rhythm yet. But maybe, just maybe, it will never happen again. Who can really predict when a players production falls off consistently. Right now Kawhi plays better D than Manu and slowly increases his share on O ... what more can we ask for?

[Poolboy5623]

It pains me to watch Ginobili like this. Any shot he takes makes me scared. Every time he drives im scared he's going to get hurt. Now Leanord as much as he's coming into him own is no Manu. Ive been reading these stupid replies an watching every gm closely. Anyone who thinks Leanord is on Manus level is a fool. I cant believe some of you. True enough Manu needs to retire but aint no one outside of Tony an Timmy in a spurs uniform close to Manu. Tiago as good as he's doing is closer to Manu than Leanord. I cant believe you people. I guess its out with the old an in with the new with some of you'll.

That's pro sports jermaine...these guys are paid MILLIONS, to play a GAME! If your not doing your job, move aside and let the next guy down the line try. I don't think anyone is saying kawhi is the "old" Manu, but he's clearly a better option than the 2013 Manu. Anyone that disagrees, needs to see an optometrist. I didn't want to give up on Manu(and haven't), but his play is hurting the team and it's obvious.

[rjv]

talent wise, yes-mental wise, no. although he is catching up in that area.

leonard really may have to be our 4th options in the playoffs if manu continues to be so inconsistent.

[HI-FI]

There is no such thing as Manu's haters. Outside of a couple of posters, everybody on ST love Manu.

It's not because you aren't a blind homer that you are a hater. Manu's fanboys should stop playing the offended virgin whenever someone is objective about Manu.

this.

the CoM probably creates more ill will with how they throw certain teammates under the bus, yet when Manu is clearly slumping, you hear how it's because he's forced to play with the B team and no one is stepping up. The truth is Manu hasn't been the same for awhile and hopefully it's something he can fix.

Manu is my second favorite Spur but he has and will always be a very frustrating player. For all his brilliance he also does some dumb and seems to get hurt at inopportune times. I hope he can turn things around in the playoffs and also hope his next contract is more team friendly.

[hater]

the plain truth is Manu is a stubborn fool for not trying to adjust his game. He still tries to do his 100mph argentine bumper car basketball that yes, got him glory back in the day, but today just looks goofy and embarrassing.

[jermaine]

the plain truth is Manu is a stubborn fool for not trying to adjust his game. He still tries to do his 100mph argentine bumper car basketball that yes, got him glory back in the day, but today just looks goofy and embarrassing.

I cant help but laugh but so true. He leaves you wondering like he always has. "Wtf was he thinking"

[DAF86]

There is no such thing as Manu's haters. Outside of a couple of posters, everybody on ST love Manu.

It's not because you aren't a blind homer that you are a hater. Manu's fanboys should stop playing the offended virgin whenever someone is objective about Manu.

That's what happens when you're fun to watch, clutch and don't bang teammates wives, tbh.

[Brazil]

That's what happens when you're fun to watch, clutch and don't bang teammates wives, tbh.

he mad tbh
typically CoM post, topic is Manu and the automatic offended virgin take a jab at TP for no reason other than helping his hero. You are by far the biggest homer ever of this board Manu>Dirk, I'm quite astonished that you didn't start a new Argentinean pope = God or something in the club.

[Brazil]

To be back to the topic, of course Kawhi surpassed, the last weeks and overall for the RS, Manu. Is that definitive ? I don't think so. I somehow think Manu is preserving/coasting a bit during the RS. Dude was beasting just 6 month ago during the Olympics, he was playing great and had a terrific campaign, he didn't became old in 6 months. No way Manu can be productive anymore during the course of 82 games + POs but for a month of live or death tournament I'm sure he is capable to bring his A games a last time at least. Besides with all the attention that TP is drawing from opponents, Manu is flying a bit under radar, this could be positive for the Spurs.

At the end, Spurs will need a solid Manu, a MVP level TP and a vintage Tim to go somewhere as always.

[Bruno]

That's what happens when you're fun to watch, clutch and don't bang teammates wives, tbh.

Well, Parker is fun to watch, clutch and was hated long before his divorce. Parker certainly didn't deserve to be as hated as he is by some posters.

Now, Ginobili is an awesome guy, on and off the court. It's damn hard not to love him and he certainly deserves every bit of that love. My point is that some Manu's fans should cool down and not take offense whenever someone say something a little negative, and justified, on Ginobili. SpursTalk loves Manu.

[DAF86]

he mad tbh
typically CoM post, topic is Manu and the automatic offended virgin take a jab at TP for no reason other than helping his hero. You are by far the biggest homer ever of this board Manu>Dirk, I'm quite astonished that you didn't start a new Argentinean pope = God or something in the club.

I got to you, didn't I .

Sorry for having a life and not responding to your post 1 hour ago.

And are you for real? We just beat your sorry ref assisted asses less than a day ago and you come here to talk about a loss in a b2b without arguably our three best players. (TD, TP, Leonard)

Of course Manu isn't a liability but the Spurs would benefit of having Manu playing off the ball a bit more and giving Leonard a couple more playmaking oportunities per game.

Yeah, I'm so mad . The only mad ones here are people like you that don't understand why Manu gets a pass for everything and Tony doesn't.

[hater]

Well, Parker is fun to watch, clutch and was hated long before his divorce. Parker certainly didn't deserve to be as hated as he is by some posters.

Now, Ginobili is an awesome guy, on and off the court. It's damn hard not to love him and he certainly deserves every bit of that love. My point is that some Manu's fans should cool down and not take offense whenever someone say something a little negative, and justified, on Ginobili. SpursTalk loves Manu.

to be fair its pretty evident Tony hate comes from Tony getting the famous shrinking balls syndrome come playoff time. TP was a great playoff choker and that attributes to about 80% of the hate. In recent years he might have got over that, or maybe not, jury still out on that, but at least he is not as pathetic playoff performer.

Had TP raised his game in many occasions in the past the TP hate would be much much lower. manu was (keyword WAS) the compelte opposite and thus why he got so much more love.Manu raised his game to about 120% in playoffs and sometimes about 200% in clutch playoff time, TP either maintained 90% at best and droped to 55% in clutch.

still that does not give Manu fan the pass for thinking Ginobili is currently anything but a TOSB

[TMTTRIO]

I'll be happy to see Manu retire at the end of the season just to see all of these Tony vs. Manu threads go away. Don't worry Tony's more of a star and better player than Manu ever has been in this league.

[RD2191]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm9Y-vqZsEo

[therealtruth]

to be fair its pretty evident Tony hate comes from Tony getting the famous shrinking balls syndrome come playoff time. TP was a great playoff choker and that attributes to about 80% of the hate. In recent years he might have got over that, or maybe not, jury still out on that, but at least he is not as pathetic playoff performer.

Had TP raised his game in many occasions in the past the TP hate would be much much lower. manu was (keyword WAS) the compelte opposite and thus why he got so much more love.Manu raised his game to about 120% in playoffs and sometimes about 200% in clutch playoff time, TP either maintained 90% at best and droped to 55% in clutch.

still that does not give Manu fan the pass for thinking Ginobili is currently anything but a TOSB

Spot on. The coaching staff was disappointed with TP back in '11 when they got swept.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Well, Parker is fun to watch, clutch and was hated long before his divorce. Parker certainly didn't deserve to be as hated as he is by some posters.

Now, Ginobili is an awesome guy, on and off the court. It's damn hard not to love him and he certainly deserves every bit of that love. My point is that some Manu's fans should cool down and not take offense whenever someone say something a little negative, and justified, on Ginobili. SpursTalk loves Manu.

I started liking the Spurs a lot since watching Manu doing his thing on the court. But I have grown to like Parker over the years. He has belied every negative sentiment about him. He took a large pay-cut to play for the Spurs; improved his team both by his play on the court and by leadership; has been the most durable of the Spurs players, playing hurt if need be, and generally improving every aspect of his play consistently over the years.

Manu is more flashy and is a thrill to watch, but Parker has come up the real hard way, becoming the most under-appreciated superstar in the league.

And the best part is that Parker will continue to be a foundation for the Spurs for atleast a half-decade more as he leads the Spurs in the post-Duncan, post-Manu era very soon.

[ducks]

duh

[ducks]

My heart is aching every time they say something bad about Manu being this, being that...I simply don't care if Manu plays or not; just seeing him with the Spurs already gives me happiness...can't you see there's still a lot of number "20" in the stands...c'mon instead of bashing about his game and making hurtful comments might as well appreciate his presence on the team...Tim and Manu are the future coaches for the SPURS...TIM, TONY, and MANU...cased closed! LOL

manu is not what he was duncan is more duncan like after 2 or 3 days offf
duncan has not decline like manu
manu is only good at passing sometimes but there are times he forces to much and lots of turnovres

[ducks]

I started liking the Spurs a lot since watching Manu doing his thing on the court. But I have grown to like Parker over the years. He has belied every negative sentiment about him. He took a large pay-cut to play for the Spurs; improved his team both by his play on the court and by leadership; has been the most durable of the Spurs players, playing hurt if need be, and generally improving every aspect of his play consistently over the years.

Manu is more flashy and is a thrill to watch, but Parker has come up the real hard way, becoming the most under-appreciated superstar in the league.

And the best part is that Parker will continue to be a foundation for the Spurs for atleast a half-decade more as he leads the Spurs in the post-Duncan, post-Manu era very soon.

I liked the spurs the year before they got DAVID ROBINSON who is better then manu was in his prime

[letmk]

manu is not what he was duncan is more duncan like after 2 or 3 days offf
duncan has not decline like manu
manu is only good at passing sometimes but there are times he forces to much and lots of turnovres

Exactly, not all passes are "equal". When he cannot beat the defense with his dribble and/or penetration, Manu should stop attempting those leading-to-assist-but-very-risky-type passes. He needs to just pass to a less crowded teammate and looks for next round of attack from there.

[kaji157]

As said before Ginoibili is as of now (i mean with Parker out) the only spurs perimeter player that others team plan to defend. No team cares to stop green, neal or leonard. And still he has managed to get 10 assists and 14 points on 9 shots, all in 20 minutes. That´s nowhere bad.
Manu is obviously in a slump and yet to discover what his body can and cannot do, i bet he will adjust as he always did in the past.
Also it would be no surprise to me if Pop told him to slow down a bit given that he has had plenty of minor injuries this season, that would obviously translate in more TO and worse defense, but Ginobili is no way the only responsible for the recent defensive lapses.
If he is not forcing his body is obvious that the play will be less clean and as a result have more TO i think some here are overreacting the reality.

Which is, Ginobili is not 100% nor his body nor mental, and he is also on a shooting slump.

Still the guy can give you 10 dimes in 20 minutes while sucking.

As for Leonard, the league has yet to worry about what he can do, and that will inflate all his numbers.