Job hunting tips

[TDMVPDPOY]

yeah my sis doing engineering and will rake in the money once shes done

posts pics of sister clown

what field she in? i got a friend who studied aerospace eng...hard field to get into for positions, lol ended up being full time sports better instead

got a female friend who was also in the same field, she ended up working on some ship dockyard building ships/military in adelaide, heard shes working on some oil platform atm earning the big bucks...

had another friend got into industrial eng, i think thats more common work since govt is always rebuilding infrastructure and ...

[TDMVPDPOY]

They aren't plumbers at all breath, and yeah I'm starting them (first day knowing nothing) @ only about 25K a year but they are single and just out of high school.

So what do you do that makes you so high and mighty, asshole?

25k sounds about right for non skilled work without any formal certificates, actually thats alot for first year pay and 2nd year pay apprentices...

when you do ur years of training and fully skilled is when you earn the big bucks individually or as a business....then again skilled labour sole traders are usually cash in hand clowns

[AussieFanKurt]

posts pics of sister clown

what field she in? i got a friend who studied aerospace eng...hard field to get into for positions, lol ended up being full time sports better instead

got a female friend who was also in the same field, she ended up working on some ship dockyard building ships/military in adelaide, heard shes working on some oil platform atm earning the big bucks...

had another friend got into industrial eng, i think thats more common work since govt is always rebuilding infrastructure and ...

pass, son

shes doing mechanical engineering i think - thats what shes best at.

yeah chicks who do engineering seem to earn big bucks because 99% of engineers are blokes/people with asbergers

[The Reckoning]

yeah im with CC. i have a friend who dropped out of high school and learned to be a carpenter. ended up working on condos and invested a high percentage of his income into apple. before the new iphone shipped he sold all of his stock. he's now a millionaire and only 21 years old and drops a couple 100k into investments every year and lives off of the dividends.

the system.

[apalisoc_9]

It's an excellent question. I'm not a normal manager. I run loose 2-3 man teams as jobs require and I have core team leaders. I take care of them and they take care of me. I'm a final decision maker but I give them huge la ude. If i have a job that we have to bid I will send a team leader out to look at it, he will come back with notes, we will talk about it and then I will then handle everything from there up to getting the purchase order to do the job. If I I get the job, I am the facilitator to make sure they have every single thing they need to do it. My team leaders are my talent scouts. They bring a guy to me, they own him. It's a really proud group of guys.

You mentioned that you do hire kids out of high-school and presented a few qualities you like in an employee but you now mention that you let your team leaders do the scouting? Maybe I'm just not getting it, but I don't see how you answered his question as far as "hiring" kids. You're still at risk because any of these kids can bull their stories with managers and youd think your mangers is giving you a potential leader in the future.

How do you hire your leaders? Do they all get promoted internally?

OP, get a new degree man, Seriously psychology? Why not further your education and go to law or any other course where your psychology credits would be of use..or get two year experience then get an MBA after? Where I go to school, they have career counseling that points us to certain comapnies that would hire fresh graduates..check your school man and see if they offer that kind of service.

I don't know the demand in Australia, but assuming you started unemployed when you started this thread, two months aint really that bad..keep sending resumes, go to career orientations, and again go back to your school and ask if there's any future career fairs etc..In our business related courses here in school, there's about one or two career fairs every semester..Check it out bro. Good luck!

[TDMVPDPOY]

yeah im with CC. i have a friend who dropped out of high school and learned to be a carpenter. ended up working on condos and invested a high percentage of his income into apple. before the new iphone shipped he sold all of his stock. he's now a millionaire and only 21 years old and drops a couple 100k into investments every year and lives off of the dividends.

the system.

my friend did a GED equivalent for computer science, graduates out of GED school...first job was 100k annually programming during the peak of the industry....got fired after 2 years with the company, work in retail and banking maintaining websites, now operates his own franchise retail outlet startup capital was free; all he does is just pay franchise yearly fees...his raking it in though...

his probably the only friend that i know is not living on credit, owns a few properties..

while most of my bank and finance friends own multiple residential properties and business ventures, all on credit though

you can also live that high banking life if ur willing to take on credit and talk out of ur asses that you own something the bank legally owns...

[JudynTX]

Do you think Social Media prevents some people from getting hired?

[CosmicCowboy]

You mentioned that you do hire kids out of high-school and presented a few qualities you like in an employee but you now mention that you let your team leaders do the scouting? Maybe I'm just not getting it, but I don't see how you answered his question as far as "hiring" kids. You're still at risk because any of these kids can bull their stories with managers and youd think your mangers is giving you a potential leader in the future.

How do you hire your leaders? Do they all get promoted internally?

OP, get a new degree man, Seriously psychology? Why not further your education and go to law or any other course where your psychology credits would be of use..or get two year experience then get an MBA after? Where I go to school, they have career counseling that points us to certain comapnies that would hire fresh graduates..check your school man and see if they offer that kind of service.

I don't know the demand in Australia, but assuming you started unemployed when you started this thread, two months aint really that bad..keep sending resumes, go to career orientations, and again go back to your school and ask if there's any future career fairs etc..In our business related courses here in school, there's about one or two career fairs every semester..Check it out bro. Good luck!

First, I used the term "team leader" but that is not a formal le. Nobody has a le including me. Most of my guys are Alphas but some are Alpha+'s. All are home grown. I cant' hire outsiders with the complete skill set I need. The Alphas can work together or alone depending on the job requirement. I also have a couple of Beta's that float between jobs crews. Salaries and raises are totally subjective and determined by me.

As far as hiring kids and being at "risk' that they bull ted me I run that risk anytime I hire an employee.

The reason I give my Alpha employees significant input in the recruiting and hiring (final decision is still mine whether to hire them or not) Is that it gives them a vested interest and ownership in making sure the new employee is successful. They are a lot tougher on the new hires than I would ever be. My constant refrain to my Alphas is that "the more you teach them how to do and let them do, the less you have to do yourself".

As for your advice for him to go back to law school...I don't know about Australia, but in the US that is TERRIBLE advice unless they are an academic superstar and can get into a top ranked law school. 50% of lawyers that graduated a year ago are still unemployed and of those that are employed many are working as basically indentured servants for established attorneys. They only get to eat what they kill (hours they bill and get paid for) and the established attorney is raking as much as half of that.

[AussieFanKurt]

Do you think Social Media prevents some people from getting hired?

maybe but I think the effect of social media on jobs is over exaggerated . as long as you don't have your display picture as something stupid you're probably fine and don't post anything too controversial on things like twitter

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

First, I used the term "team leader" but that is not a formal le. Nobody has a le including me. Most of my guys are Alphas but some are Alpha+'s. All are home grown. I cant' hire outsiders with the complete skill set I need. The Alphas can work together or alone depending on the job requirement. I also have a couple of Beta's that float between jobs crews. Salaries and raises are totally subjective and determined by me.

As far as hiring kids and being at "risk' that they bull ted me I run that risk anytime I hire an employee.

The reason I give my Alpha employees significant input in the recruiting and hiring (final decision is still mine whether to hire them or not) Is that it gives them a vested interest and ownership in making sure the new employee is successful. They are a lot tougher on the new hires than I would ever be. My constant refrain to my Alphas is that "the more you teach them how to do and let them do, the less you have to do yourself".

As for your advice for him to go back to law school...I don't know about Australia, but in the US that is TERRIBLE advice unless they are an academic superstar and can get into a top ranked law school. 50% of lawyers that graduated a year ago are still unemployed and of those that are employed many are working as basically indentured servants for established attorneys. They only get to eat what they kill (hours they bill and get paid for) and the established attorney is raking as much as half of that.

What CC said here about law school is spot on. There's a huge surplus of lawyers in this country right now and even if you get great grades at a B-list law school it leads to jack . The "get a worthless degree that 'interests you' for your undergrad then go to law school afterwards" plan that worked well 30+ years ago leads to nothing but massive student debt these days. A lot of grads don't even get the chance to work as lawyers and "eat what they kill" but instead take jobs as glorified paralegals after law school just so there isn't a big time gap on their resume. Unless these problems are idiosyncratic to America and it's much different elsewhere, law school will be nothing but a big money pit..

[apalisoc_9]

First, I used the term "team leader" but that is not a formal le. Nobody has a le including me. Most of my guys are Alphas but some are Alpha+'s. All are home grown. I cant' hire outsiders with the complete skill set I need. The Alphas can work together or alone depending on the job requirement. I also have a couple of Beta's that float between jobs crews. Salaries and raises are totally subjective and determined by me.

As far as hiring kids and being at "risk' that they bull ted me I run that risk anytime I hire an employee.

The reason I give my Alpha employees significant input in the recruiting and hiring (final decision is still mine whether to hire them or not) Is that it gives them a vested interest and ownership in making sure the new employee is successful. They are a lot tougher on the new hires than I would ever be. My constant refrain to my Alphas is that "the more you teach them how to do and let them do, the less you have to do yourself".

As for your advice for him to go back to law school...I don't know about Australia, but in the US that is TERRIBLE advice unless they are an academic superstar and can get into a top ranked law school. 50% of lawyers that graduated a year ago are still unemployed and of those that are employed many are working as basically indentured servants for established attorneys. They only get to eat what they kill (hours they bill and get paid for) and the established attorney is raking as much as half of that.

Interesting.

What do you value more skill or at ude? It seems like every place i've ever worked on ( not that i've worked on a lot of companies already) value at ude, personality more than skill.

I sorta of assumed OP is a A+ student and studies in the best school in australia. I think I got him mistaken with another aussie poster here.But yeah like i mentioned, i'm not totally aware of the job market in Australia just pointing out majors where his credits might be of use.