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Just some regular chick..I'll send you a pm if you keep the to yourself, just come back here and review the evidence
Homeland Security if you saw this girl, I mean seriously
No. That's not the case at all. Theism and Religion are orthogonal: You can be a religious atheist (like believing in probability like Two-Face does) and a non-religious theist. The split between religion an science is epistemological, while the split between theism and atheism is metaphysical. In short; neither atheism nor theism is a scientific view. That's like saying that the belief in multiple universes is scientific or non-scientific. Science can not disprove the existence of a god because it can only explain the reality in which it exists.
Essentially, science is the process toward understanding the universe we live in; everything that may occur outside our universe (or multiverse) is completely hidden. So if a god did create this universe, ignited the Big Bang and all that, then science could never tell. All it can do is figure out the physical causes, the how if you will. It can't say the why. Science doesn't care about the why in a metaphysical sense; it just doesn't apply.
Theism is tied down by people trying to pin religion to it. The belief in god doesn't necessitate the belief in anything inexplicable happening in the universe. Both theists and atheists can believe the same things about the universe. The difference comes when the atheists decide to break the causal closure of the physical and assume that some magic happened which started this whole thing, while theists believe that it was flicked into motion intentionally. No matter how much science progresses, there will never be a true answer to that question. If we discovered what caused the Big Bang, we still won't know what caused the thing that caused it and so on. If we find out the multiverse is cyclical we still won't know what created it, and so on again.
When you get down to the end, it doesn't make more sense to say nothing created anything. We know that everything is caused by something, but we are to believe it was all caused by nothing? Why is that the null hypothesis? It shouldn't be. It should be the null to believe our creation is consistent with the things we create. Atheists should have to prove why we should change our deductive chains in this case.
tl;dr: Atheism is a faith-based view too. Science doesn't explain the why, and it's not supposed to. It doesn't apply to this argument.
But I agree about religion being healthy when used correctly.It was created for a reason, and that was not originally to brain-wash people. I don't know why it had to go so far astray, though.
If we agree that the Bible says Jesus is God, then yeah, that's exactly what you asked me to do.
If not, then feel free to state what your opinion of what you believe Jesus to be, including his limits.
Or take some more personal jabs. No skin off my back either way.
Why not just let them believe in it? I mean, I can understand the in your face a holes that condemn you but the same can be said about people like DoK.
Let people believe what they want. If they choose to believe the bible then fine if they choose to not believe in any religion then it's cool too.
Ya - 3 people welshed: Kool for $500, FkLa for $25 & the worst of them all Dallaskd for $500 after I paid him $500 on my lost bet. Good news is I've been paid on all other bets so I'm still in the positive.
Atheism being faith based is bull.
We're all born atheists. It takes no amount of faith to not believe.
We're born agnostic. Atheism is the strong view that god doesn't exist. Taking a strong view without proof means you take it on faith. If this whole time you were calling for agnosticism, then I could sympathize.
The origins of religion were totally to brainwash people and control the first civilizations. You should research how religion was used in Babylonia.
Nah, I already believe we were on the decline by then. I mean the first Neanderthal that looked up in the sky and tried to make sense of it all. I think it all went to when cro-magnons came on the scene.
religion was originated by primitive man's fear of famine and natural disasters. Like everything, corrupt individuals at positions of power started using it to their advantage. But don't be fooled, religion comes from humankind primitive beliefs of fear of the unknown and of disaster.
More a question out of curiosity than anything tbh. I dont hate or have a problem with people that are religious, as long as theyre not extreme.
Point being that the first usages of religion such as religion used in Babylonia was to brainwash people...
yes and no. Nobody can really tell with certainty every case of organized religion is meant to brainwash people or started like that. Some religions like the Christian started in secrecy and at fear of death (ancient rome, christians being fed to the beasts, etc) Eventually they were corrupted at some point after the foundation of Catholicism and Popes. But again, a generalization such as the one you make is misleading.
I don't care what people believe in until they start to keep our society from moving forward.
Bible beaters like Broussard that denounce Collins on ESPN holds us back.
its called having faith my friend. when you have a close relationship with the lord, you will see him move in your life. i know several people who were lost and in despair before they were saved. God is working out a plan according to his purpose...God has made a way for you and I to be saved. i chose to walk every day in faith and my life has been blessed for doing so, amen. not trying to get to preachy but this song is perfect for this question.
I feel sorry for the people that lived in the age of zero tolerance.
I'm about to leave work and go for a run. I doubt I'll have the patience or desire to address this topic any further once I'm relaxing at home later this evening.
Your constant tendency to be intentionally obtuse (I assume it's intentional) practically ruins any chance of having a worthwhile discussion with you. That being said, maybe we can go into this another time. Not because I want to, but because I feel that at least attempting to have a mannerly discussion with you is the Christian thing to do.
God Bless you and your family.
definitely not born agnostic.
but your using the strictest definition of atheism. I'm using the loosest.
Not being intentionally obtuse. You're obviously just out of your element here.
Is what it is.
Atheists like to obscure the definition of their view to make it seem more reasonable. There are two strong views, theism and atheism, and then there's a sea of agnosticism and apathy. It'd be like if I tried to pretend like being a theist could mean that I just don't want to say for sure that a god DOESN'T exist. It would seem like a bad cop out. That's how I feel when atheists try to pull that stunt.
The concept of religion is not a bad thing. It helps people through alot of things--whether it be death, rough times, or simply the unknown. That doesnt make it real though man. When I sit back and think for myself instead of what I was fed its really hard to believe any of it. Im with both hater and DoK, in that religion likely originated as a way for people to cope with fears and later used as a tool to brainwash and control.
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