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Congrats on being the dumb who finally tries to turn this into a Manu v Parker thread. There's always one of them around.
He dont, I cringe when he takes those stupid shots with like 19 seconds still on the clock!
Congrats on being the dumb who finally tries to turn this into a Manu v Parker thread. There's always one of them around.
Disagree. He's always been crafty and energetic... eurostep and all, but athletic? Maybe when he was in europe playing against euro stiffs. By NBA standards, he's always been below average in the athleticism department. Sure, he had a few thunderous dunks, but it's pretty much always been beating his guy to the rack, not going over anybody.
Well, I'm gonna agree to disagree.
I never said he's #1, and I agree Tim is probably that guy.
Let me add that since around 2005 onwards (and up until recently, when Parker took some of that role), Manu has been THE guy that is handed the ball to close out games, simply because of his decision-making and unselfishness.
Sure, the 'fouled Dirk' story will always be brought forward, but there's countless of games and playoffs series that the Spurs won by great execution and decisions by Manu in the clutch. Including in seasons we've won it all, like 2005 and 2007.
Go take a look who gave the pass to Horry for that 3 pointer in Detroit in 2005, or even to Tim to close down the series against Seattle that same year. Or who made the plays and passed to Tim for that wide-open 3 pointer to send the game to OT and eventually win that game in 2007 against the Suns. There's countless of plays we just take for granted, but were great decisions and were not necessarily plays Manu finished himself.
Yes, it's also one reason he continues to play at a high level, even into his mid-30s. If he thrived off his athleticism, he'd be washed up and sitting on the bench like Richard Jefferson by now.
Same goes for Tim Duncan. His athleticism was never his focal point and he continues to play at a high level to this day.
...touche that play haunts me to this day
he's either hot or cold. if he's hot off the bench then spurs get that extra push and win. if he's cold...and pop continues to play him...then yeah...
that's why he was 6th man of the year. he's meant to come off the bench and provide spark. that's his role for the spurs. it fits the system perfectly.
People, especially Pop, have always given Ginobili a pass for being a high-risk, high-reward type player. Throughout his career, he's made his share of exciting plays, but also has made more than his share of bone-headed plays too. However, it's clear that Ginobili is not the same player as he was a few years ago. That said, it seems to me that he would be better served by adjusting his on-court decision-making such that he's not always taking as many unnecessary chances (uncorking the hot mus passes when they're not there), not taking as many ill-advised (heat check) shots so early in the shot clock, and playing more within the confines of the offense. That's not to say that he needs to curtail his creativity, it's just that that type of creativity and reckless decision-making isn't necessary on every possession. I realize this would be an adjustment for him, but I think his declining skills warrant such a change in his approach to the game. Ginobili is an extremely smart guy and I wonder if he's even thought about this? , even Michael Jordan had to adjust his game as he got older. Ginobili would be wise to do the same.
Me too!
Ironic in '06 Manu didn't find Horry even though he was wide open. Even though he did it the year before.
I agree with this, especially about the "heat check". It seems like he's always doing that now. I think his heat checks are what is cooling him down. Its like he's GOT to be hot to be any good and he's conscious of it. Just play and let it come.
If we are the better team we should be able to beat them while staying within our system. Being all fancy is kind of saying we arent good enough. The simple passes should be enough. Beat them the hard way until the flood gates open then get fancy.
Manu was pretty athletic before that 2008 injury, the way he changed directions at full speed was on par with anyone in the league. And i don't know about free pass, i bet we all yell at the TV screen when he goes off and does something monumentally dumb, like only he can do. But what u gonna do, guy is/was our best option for closing and came up big in the clutch (2mins left in close games) countless times.
I think a lot of us have been talking on him. In the past he had some very deceptive athleticism, no he wasn't a world class monkeyballer but he was good enough. Now though, it's like watching Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven instead of Outlaw Josey Whales. He's always been known for breathtaking plays and mind numbingly dumb ,but it doesn't seem like the beautiful stuff is as prevalent. Hopefully my issues with Manu can be addressed in the offseason, and I'm not saying I want him gone, but we need to figure out what to do with the decline. And fwiw, I still trust Manu in crunch time or tense situations over almost anyone on the team, except Timmy.
This is one of the few games this season where you CAN'T put the blame on Ginobili. He was the only reliable Spur on offense tonight. TD was good in the first half and horrendous in the secend. Parker's the chief suspect tonight but the injury excuse is protecting him for the moment.
protecting
Lets face it Manu has not been the same since injured himself in the Olympics.....he has been injury prone since....and playing for your national team in the summer dosent help you staying healthy at some point.
I think that Manu is still hurting. I go to the games and see him trying to stay loose all game. Manu goes into the tunnel at the 4min mark in the first period every home game. Is he getting treatment on the hand-string or back before POP puts him in the game at the 7 min. mark? Is he riding a bike to stay loose? Manu gets gassed at the end of every game.(air balls on threes and bad passes) Is there anyone on the Spurs that is not hurting somewhere?
TBH, I'm more disappointed in KL. Dude was suppose to breakout this post season. Instead, he's turned into George Hill. He'll get a few buckets here and there. Rebound the ball now and then. However, most of the time he's clanking jump shots left and right, dribbling all over the place like a chicken without a head, or just flat out disappearing for large portions of the game. The only solid thing about his game this post season has been his D. Although not spectacular, it's been solid, but the Spurs need more from him offensively, plain and simple.
Even you brah? You can't blame Gino he was the only one who hit .
Agree! MannyIsGod is an idiot and needs to stop posting!
Agree! Manu carried this team! Parker's hurt and Timmy played horrible in the second half! What's wrong with Neal & Leonard! Green played excellent defense but still needs to make his shots! Diaw played like and Bonner was Bonner in the playoffs = bricks (LOL)! This is where we need SJAX but that idiot had to fight with Pop and now we are short a scorer! Oh well, on to Game 5!
Ginobili is a gamble. At least he's not scared to take the big shot. He just might not give the result you want everytime
And again... that 3 was wide open, so can't really blame him on this one. The game should have never been that close at this point the game.
Maybe Manu could have run some time on the clock on that last play yeah but there was a dozen plays that should have led to 2 points or more that did not earlier in the quarter so... Let's get over it guys and enjoy Manu while he's still here...
Even with the obvious decline the past few years and the off shooting I must say I'd rather go with him in the final minutes of a close game... Now let's hope other guys step up...
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