Carmichael seems like a guy in the second round slot to give as a shot. Finding size is always the problem so late in the draft. With Dieng shooting up draft boards, it's harder to see someone 6'10" to 7'0" being there unless you want someone unathletic like Jeff Withey (boring..)
That's half true. They can't be traded in June if they haven't picked their option but once they picked it, they can be traded.
It can be relevant for Mills. While he might want/wish for more playing time, he might pick up his option because he won't make as much money on the free agent market. An arrangement that would suit both side would be Mills picking his option before the draft night and Spurs trying to trade him during the draft to a team where he could get more playing time.
Spurs don't really need guys who can jump out of the gym. If we pick a big, defensively he just needs to be able to defend the pick and roll, otherwise he'd never be able to play with Timmy. A shot blocker would be nice, but pick and roll defence is more important.
Withey is actually very athletic, averaging 3.9bpg, you're just assuming he can't jump because he's white. Funnily enough it's his lateral quickness which is possibly an issue, which is why he'd be a pass from me if that's the case.
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Hearing from multiple sources that Mavs likely to trade the No. 13 pick. Want to save cap space for Dwight Howard run ...
That'd be a poor decision on their part. They could just give it to Lakers in July if worst comes to worst. It could be a good piece to get someone else.
With the lottery made, mock drafts are now considering team needs. Both Ford and DX have Spurs picking Nogueira.
To have a better idea on who Spurs could pick, it will be crucial to see what international prospect will stay in this draft after the June 17th deadline. 7/8 underclassmen international prospects (Gobert, Schröder, Karasev, Saric, Nogueira, Adetokunbo, Jaiteh and maybe Jean-Charles) will have an impact on Spurs pick by either being picked before #28 and by being options at #28.
Would love it if we offered our 2014 pick and cash... Could be another Kawhi deal.
If Mavs are looking to open cap space, a trade like Bonner+future first round pick for Carter+Cunningham+#13 could work.
Saying that, Spurs might want to keep their cap space to go after free agents and they might not want to create more cap space to Dallas, a team that is said to be interested in Splitter.
I believe that Pierce`s contract is the biggest with TO/partially guaranteed, but I really cant see it happening.
Bruno, how we count Dallas cap space ? Amnestied players are counted to it salary space, but arent counted into tax, am I right ? Then, when they waive Bonner with partially guaranteed deal, his salary is totaly not counted ? How much money they could throw to Howard after that deal ?
But I do believe there will be a team, like Bobcats or Magic, willing to take Marion and picks for 2nd round unguaranteed
I know you asked Bruno, but... players can only be amnestied by the teams that signed them in the first place. If the Spurs were to amnesty Bonner, they would have to pay him his full salary, but it wouldn't count for cap or tax calculations. If they were to trade him to Dallas, Dallas could waive him and only have to pay him the 1 million guaranteed portion of his salary, which would count toward the cap. The Spurs could waive or amnesty Bonner, whichever they prefer.
I assume Dallas could offer Howard a max contract (otherwise they wouldn't be in the running for him).
I don't see at all a rebuilding team being interested in paying $9.3M for a 35 ears old Marion. they would have very little reasons to do so.
Dallas salary situation should be the following:
Dirk: $22.7M
Marion: $9.3M
Carter: $3.2M
Cunningham: $1.2M
Crowder: $0.8M
#13: $1.7M
6 cap hold: $2.9M
Total: $41.8M
They will have $18.2M available with a $60M salary cap and $20.2M with a $62M salary cap. The max salary for Howard is $20.5M.
The trade I suggested would create $3.6M in additional cap space for Dallas.
And I would be absolutely shocked to see Howard going to Dallas. Lakers, Rockets or Hawks seems to be way better destinations for him.
Dallas amnestied Haywood, so that`s why I was asking about amnestied players.
Bruno Warriors paid 11mil for #30pick. 9,3M for #13 and Marion is very good player to tank for next draft.
Salary dumping a player in June for a trade exception has been usually more difficult/expensive than trading a player for another one with a shorter contract at the trade deadline.
For example, in 2010, Miami traded Cook + #18 for #32. Cook had only $2.2M/1 year left on his contract.
And I misunderstood what you were saying, I thought that you weren't including #13 with Marion. #13 + Marion for a trade exception might work but it's far from a given.
Heck, assuming we had Splitter resigned, as the Spurs, we could take that deal - #13 and Marion for a 2nd - and I would do it.
It would be a pre-arranged deal on draft night. SAS and DAL would have to arrive at a #13 they both like. In the post-draft, before FA period, SAS resigns Manu and Tiago and buy out Bonner for $1 Million. They then use their remaining cap space to take on Marion and #13...
Duncan Tiago Diaw Baynes
Kawhi, Marion
Green, Manu, De Colo
Parker, CoJo
+
#13, #29
+
?Mills?, ?Bertrans?, mini MLE big man?
Looks pretty decent to me, depending on who the mini-MLE big is. Given Marion will expire next year, it would put the organization in a good place to extend Kawhi.
Atlanta is my first choise. They will have a lot of cap space, which they could be unable to spend on good players, so they could take a bait and even do sign and trade with Dallas for Josh Smith. And #13 pick should help doing it. Then Marion could be traded in February as 9,3 mil expiring, when teams will be clearing their salaries.
With 13,17, 18, 47, 50 picks they wont draft all-starts, but that`s great way to start building deep team. With one of their 1st round picks they could secure some euro prospect for future e.g. Dennis Schroeder ( who is black, and I have no idea what kind of player he is) or Russian dude Sergey Karasev.
I likely wouldn't.
i have little to no interest in Marion (old + bad shooter) and, from what I've seen/read, players available at #13 aren't that intriguing. Spurs should do a trade like that if they think there is someone special at #13. otherwise, their best bet is likely to go after free agents.
Obviously it would depend on there being someone the Spurs really like at 13, but I somewhat disagree. There's every chance we wouldn't get a player as good as Matrix in free agency.
Edit: In fact, I would be quite happy just to take Marion for a trade exception if we get the offer in the summer. Wouldn't be my first choice, I'd rather grab someone like West, but if he's on the table we could do a lot worse with our cap space.
Last edited by Richie; 05-22-2013 at 03:34 PM.
So Cleveland is talking about trading the first-overall pick (presumably for a super star). Looking at the 29 teams, I can't see a legitimate trade out there. Gallinari is one option; DeMarcus Cousins (lol if they go for that) may be another. LaMarcus Aldridge? Zach Randolph? Their teams shopped both of them this season.
Does anyone think it's even remotely likely that Cleveland makes a deal for a vet using the number-one pick?
I can't see a fit. I think they're committed to Kyrie, Dion and Thompson, so they have spots at Centre and Small Forward. It only makes sense to trade with a rebuilding team with a really good player at one of those spots who is young enough to grow with the core.
Nene is probably too old to make sense.
Charlotte doesn't have anyone, Gortat isn't good enough, NO aren't trading Davis.
Cousins might make the most sense, but I wouldn't if I were Cleveland. 4 years on a rookie deal vs 1 is a big difference.
Monroe maybe, but I don't know if Pistons would do it.
Pekovic might make sense, but they could go after him in free agency, and I think the Wolves want to win, and Blazers probably keep Aldridge and try to win by upgrading their bench.
If I were the Cavs, I'd take Porter, then try to get Pekovic/Splitter at Centre.
I dont think they will, but Granger should be on the table
Would you trade the first-overall pick for Granger? I wouldn't. 19 probably. I might even be willing to add 31, but not the 1.
In a strong draft I wouldn't, but there is no stand out great player in the draft. To be honest I didn't realise Granger was 30, so he's probably too old. However if I was considering a player like Gallinari, I don't see why I wouldn't consider Granger. I'd also take Granger ahead of a cancer like Cousins.
The reality is that the Pacers desperately need a point guard so they should use Granger to trade for one. Personally I've been thinking a Granger for Bledsoe trade as I can't think of a better point guard thats available.
If they're taking Porter, they might as well trade down in the draft. Something like #3 + Singleton (or anyone except Wall/Beal) for #1
I think Gallo has a few things going for him that Granger doesn't: Age (24) versatility (both forward spots without giving up size or quickness), upside (a couple of years as the first option already under his belt) and a long-term deal. If Denver were willing to trade him, which they might to grab an elite two-guard prospect, he'd be my first choice.
I agree on Cousins, and I sure think 1 is too much for him, but I don't underestimate Gilbert's stupidity there. I just think getting Gallinari and a good center (like Asik if Houston signs Howard) could put Cleveland into contention with Indiana as soon as next season.
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