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    If you thought about it, you wouldn't be a Christian.

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    Nice retort. Mind telling me why I should have to do good works to get into heaven when God doesn't do good works?

    I can't wait for your next non-answer response, which just reaffirms the point I made in the post you quoted.

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    Why don't you defend your original comment about why believing in a heaven and is re ed and to question anything negates your membership in the Christian crew.

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    I am doing that right now with the point I just made, not-so-smart Christian.

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    *crickets*

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    I've never been to a church that states the way to heaven is through their doctrine and teachings. Then again I've always went to Non-denominations.
    The most plausible of all possibilities is that there is no god, and that man made all of this up. The alternative is to believe there is a god (or gods) and that everyone save a select few have it wrong, and you just happened to be born in a region where they had it right.

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    Nice retort. Mind telling me why I should have to do good works to get into heaven when God doesn't do good works?

    I can't wait for your next non-answer response, which just reaffirms the point I made in the post you quoted.
    I'm atheist and I can answer that. The Bible doesn't state that you have to do good works to enter into heaven. It just hints that, if you're right with God, you will do good works because you will be inspired to. You'll be known by your fruits, and those are the good deeds you do and how you conduct your life. It's not that you'll be known because of them, but that you'll be known BY them, meaning that the good works are a marker that you are a born again Christian. That and a fish symbol on your Lexus SUV.

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    The why is the problem. Why would doing good works be a result of following God? I'm not really expecting you to answer that, since you don't believe it anyway. The Bible is explicit in its stance that people get eternal salvation through belief in God, so the Christians who do believe that non-believers can get into heaven are going against their holy book yet again.

    I was also planning on talking about the problem of evil, if snc ever responds.

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    Mind telling me why I should have to do good works to get into heaven when God doesn't do good works?
    Probably the dumbest question I've seen in a while.

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    Probably the dumbest question I've seen in a while.
    Explain, please.

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    I have been recently told that God isn't Santa Claus.

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    The most plausible of all possibilities is that there is no god, and that man made all of this up. The alternative is to believe there is a god (or gods) and that everyone save a select few have it wrong, and you just happened to be born in a region where they had it right.
    DMC pulling Dawkins out on snc.

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    The most plausible of all possibilities is that there is no god, and that man made all of this up.
    If someone lives their life as though they thought Jesus would have wanted them to, and it turned out nothing happened. Everything goes black and said person is gone: So what? They still did more for their fellow man than if not. Also IMO it is a more plausible idea that there was some kind of intelligent design. I don't mean a verbatum account through the bible. I mean looking at all this world's intricacies and extremely perfectly created animals, plants, eco systems, emotions, etc.

    The alternative is to believe there is a god (or gods) and that everyone save a select few have it wrong, and you just happened to be born in a region where they had it right.
    I don't know what you mean by this. There are Christians in every country and in every language.

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    DMC pulling Dawkins out on snc.
    Dawkins believes there is intelligent design just that it was aliens.

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    Dawkins believes there is intelligent design just that it was aliens.

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    Explain, please.
    ...because your asking why an omnipotent being doesn't have to follow the same rules as you. It's not about whether you believe or not, it's just that most people figure this type of out by age 6 when they keep getting the answer "because I said so" from their parents.

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    Atheists Are Still Going to , Says Vatican Spokesman

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/at...okesman-96734/

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    Rosica ed it up...

    The Pope said what he said because strategically it makes sense: it's an all-inclusive message, which invites non-christians to have another look at the church. This is especially important at this time, since the church is losing power and becoming more and more irrelevant. The polarizing, exclusive, members-only message is what made the church head in the declining direction it's been going.

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    lol religion.

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    Vatican spokesman? That's about as credible, reliable, non-political, truthful as a White House spokesman

    I read an article where the Vatican is going nuts trying to keep up with the new Pope's sayings and walkaround, much like any political organization "walking back" "mis-speakings" of a professional politician.

    All Religions are fundamentally, overwhelmingly political, with initiations, rules, behavior mandates for inclusion for or exclusion from their group. And of course, they absolutely must emphasize differences with, be in opposition to, and denigrate other Religions to justify their own Religion as exclusive The One True Way.

    And isn't it weird how leaders, organizations, local churches of these Religions become fantastically wealthy?
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    ...because your asking why an omnipotent being doesn't have to follow the same rules as you. It's not about whether you believe or not, it's just that most people figure this type of out by age 6 when they keep getting the answer "because I said so" from their parents.
    Which is a stupid ing answer. We should just do what God tells us to do just because?

    And how is my question stupid again?

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    Also IMO it is a more plausible idea that there was some kind of intelligent design. I don't mean a verbatum account through the bible. I mean looking at all this world's intricacies and extremely perfectly created animals, plants, eco systems, emotions, etc.
    God is more complicated. Did somebody design him?

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    Rosica ed it up...

    The Pope said what he said because strategically it makes sense: it's an all-inclusive message, which invites non-christians to have another look at the church. This is especially important at this time, since the church is losing power and becoming more and more irrelevant. The polarizing, exclusive, members-only message is what made the church head in the declining direction it's been going.
    Agreed

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    God is more complicated. Did somebody design him?
    Xenu

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    Great! Thanks for all the insightful non-answers you provided in this thread!

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