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Much of US/European Catholic base is already alienated: use artificial birth control, support/are divorced, support abortion, support female priests, support married priests, etc, etc.
Church should see the amount of positive feedback and roll with it. Theyl'll further alienate their non-base if they retract the statement.
I can't wait until the Cold War generation is out.
Much of US/European Catholic base is already alienated: use artificial birth control, support/are divorced, support abortion, support female priests, support married priests, etc, etc.
So if you lived your life believing a lie, so what? You wasted your life. The same is true for any religion. Why does it matter what you believe?
The watchmaker theory has been debunked so handily it need not be rehashed here. I will just say that, if the awe inspiring intricacies of your world lead to you posit the existence of a creator, then the awesomeness of that creator must lead you to posit an even greater creator. Otherwise you're using a double standard, and just stopping the infinite regress where it's most convenient and most comfortable for your belief system.
The odds are you were born into a Christian household, and as such you are yourself Christian. The odds are you were not born in a predominately Muslim country. So then, again, the odds were on your side that you hit the jackpot in getting the right religion right away.I don't know what you mean by this. There are Christians in every country and in every language.
Once again, so convenient.
I think Dawkins allows for it, belief is too strong a word for atheists to throw around so freely.
touche
Ok. Except not all religions are the same. Jefferson credits jesus with everything he got in life by following his teachings. He didn't believe in any miracles or 'god-like' actions, but went by his teachings.
??? Look you know a small amount of myself, and therefor cannot create this expansive cause and effect system. You are also changing my meaning of the posts and turning this into something its not.The watchmaker theory has been debunked so handily it need not be rehashed here. I will just say that, if the awe inspiring intricacies of your world lead to you posit the existence of a creator, then the awesomeness of that creator must lead you to posit an even greater creator. Otherwise you're using a double standard, and just stopping the infinite regress where it's most convenient and most comfortable for your belief system.
No. Religion was not talked about, nor jesus. My grandma made me watch jesus christ super star when I was a kid and that was the most as far as religion they pushed on me. She said the songs were really nice, though.The odds are you were born into a Christian household, and as such you are yourself Christian. The odds are you were not born in a predominately Muslim country. So then, again, the odds were on your side that you hit the jackpot in getting the right religion right away.
Once again, so convenient.
There's a difference between following a common moral/ethical code of conduct and believing a god exists.
My point remains, the odds of believing in the Christian god are much greater in the US than in predominately Islamic countries, and vice versa. The reality or non-reality of a god doesn't change based on the continent in which you are born.??? Look you know a small amount of myself, and therefor cannot create this expansive cause and effect system. You are also changing my meaning of the posts and turning this into something its not.
No. Religion was not talked about, nor jesus. My grandma made me watch jesus christ super star when I was a kid and that was the most as far as religion they pushed on me. She said the songs were really nice, though.
So, the most probable solution is that no god or gods exist, whether or not you choose to act like one does.
Well that is kinda what happened the way Catholics did everything they collectively could to cover up the molesting of 12 year old boys.
Great point. He also kept slaves, which would be consistent with Jesus' teachings.
Here are actual quotes from Thomas Jefferson rather than jeebo revisionist history about Jefferson:
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."
"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."
"Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."
ugh ok...Thanks for the assist.
Jesus kept slaves?
no God is not plausible. Life developed out of thin air is plausible to you?
No one religion has it all right. Meanings in the Bible were misinterpreted by the translations through the years. that Jesus is the only way that Protestents harp on is one thing they misinterpret, the true meaning of that passage is the teachings of Jesus which most religions do in one form or another.
It is worthless and a waste of time to discuss religion with a bunch of atheists who think they are so smart and think it is cool to be an atheist.
Everyone believes what they want and goes down their own road anyways.
how did God develop?
If you're here trying to win e-battles, then yeah, you're wasting time. A better use of your time would be to rigorously scrutinize your belief system and hold it to high standards of logic and reasoning.
But it's clear you'd rather take the easy road like many Phenomanuls before you.
Adios.
Aren't you the one trying to get into e-scuffles? e-fist-a-cuffs? Trying to build your e-cred? keep it e-100%? impress the e-ladies?
yes, yes, no, wut and I wouldn't the spurstalk e-ladies using your e-
You can't read too well. Not surprising.
So Jesus taught to keep slaves?
He taught to follow the laws of the Old Testament, which allowed slavery.
He sure had plenty of opportunities to condemn slavery.
So did Paul.
If you read the new testament, I don't see how you could leave with that assertion
So did Paul.You mean Peter? The one who did not fight false imprisonment, until he was rescued by an angel. The one who was crucified upside down.
So then he taught eye for an eye, like what the old testament taught right?
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