Pope says you can be saved too....just be good...

[Blake]

If you read the new testament, I don't see how you could leave with that assertion

Did Jesus ever once denounce slavery?

You mean Peter? The one who did not fight false imprisonment, until he was rescued by an angel. The one who was crucified upside down.

No, I mean Paul.

We're not talking about false imprisonment. We're talking about slavery.

[DMC]

no God is not plausible. Life developed out of thin air is plausible to you?

More plausible than God developed out of thin air, especially when you consider that you cannot even show me a god, but I can show you both thin air and life.

No one religion has it all right. Meanings in the Bible were misinterpreted by the translations through the years. that Jesus is the only way that Protestents harp on is one thing they misinterpret, the true meaning of that passage is the teachings of Jesus which most religions do in one form or another.

Which means no one knows, which means the concept of no god is more plausible than the concept of one or more gods. You all have it wrong, that's more likely than thinking one of you has it right. There's no compelling evidence to suggest otherwise, and your "stuff seems awesome" excuse doesn't make a god more likely, it just makes you more susceptible to accepting such an absurd suggestion.

[DMC]

It is worthless and a waste of time to discuss religion with a bunch of atheists who think they are so smart and think it is cool to be an atheist.

Everyone believes what they want and goes down their own road anyways.

If you genuinely think belief is a choice, then you're not on the same epistemological page as I, because I think belief is compelled. If belief is a choice, then so is disbelief. Can you choose to not believe the Sun exists? If you say no, why not? Isn't it a choice?

I can no sooner choose to not believe in a god than you can choose to not believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. It's belief that's compelled, non-belief is a default position. Even babies are atheist.

[spursncowboys]

Did Jesus ever once denounce slavery?



No, I mean Paul.

We're not talking about false imprisonment. We're talking about slavery.

:smh
Paul states to treat your slave as your son, where Peter stated to treat as your brother. Pro-slavery? I don't think so.
We are talking about false imprisonment as slavery since you are using indentured servitude as a form of slavery.

[spursncowboys]

Did Jesus ever once denounce slavery?




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In a sense yes. SInce Jesus went for the lowest groups, from tax collectors to s. . Since it was the first religion who allowed any person from any culture to join. Because the teachings are that the real prize is heaven,

[spursncowboys]

More plausible than God developed out of thin air, especially when you consider that you cannot even show me a god, but I can show you both thin air and life.

But it's pure belief. You're disguising it with the idea of logic. Thin air and life are not seperate from god, or the idea.

[DMC]

But it's pure belief. You're disguising it with the idea of logic. Thin air and life are not seperate from god, or the idea.

You're suggesting the idea of belief in a god is irrational. I would tend to agree. However, belief only comes in the pure form, else it's not belief. You're basically attempting to separate theist hope from epistemological belief (based on knowledge). Hope is not belief. Belief is compelled. You can equivocate the term with some bas ized version and that might get you through from a really warped apologetic standpoint, however in no sense is hope and belief one and the same. The only way a rational mind can form a belief is to be compelled to form that belief. Kids do it all the time with newly introduced stimuli like sticking their fingers into a light socket. They suddenly believe that light socket will shock them, and you cannot talk them out of it. With the god proposition, it's more a a hope developed around a flowery storyline that's been butchered and altered and raped over the centuries to fit the ethos of the time period.

Just the same, your hope in no way equals my beliefs, and I don't hold a hope that a god exists, and I don't hold a belief that a god exists, and at the moment, when all the emotional, charismatic dust settles, that's the most rational position.

[Blake]

:smh
Paul states to treat your slave as your son, where Peter stated to treat as your brother. Pro-slavery? I don't think so.
We are talking about false imprisonment as slavery since you are using indentured servitude as a form of slavery.

So you're saying Paul said to be a kind hearted slave owner. Sounds pro slavery to me.

Of course, if you're not anti-slavery then you're pro slavery.

You have no clue what you're talking about per par.

[spursncowboys]

So you're saying Paul said to be a kind hearted slave owner.

If you're not anti-slavery then you're pro slavery.

You have no clue what you're talking about per par.

Says someone who is trying to use a book, he doesn't believe in.
So anyone living in time of slavery who didn't change it was pro-slavery? Even if you died a martyr. Paul did die a martyr trying to change the world.

[spursncowboys]

You need to do some research on what "slavery" was in those times.

[redzero]

Was it forcing one person to work for somebody else?

[Blake]

You need to do some research on what "slavery" was in those times.

Give us your definition of what "slavery" was in those times.

[Blake]

Says someone who is trying to use a book, he doesn't believe in.

that makes no sense

So anyone living in time of slavery who didn't change it was pro-slavery? Even if you died a martyr. Paul did die a martyr trying to change the world.

pro slavery martyr is still pro slavery

[spursncowboys]

that makes no sense



pro slavery martyr is still pro slavery

How is he a pro-slavery martyr?

[spursncowboys]

How is he pro-slavery?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

God's pretty ty at his job when slavery/indentured servitude/whatever you want to call it to make it sound better was such a prevalent phenomenon during biblical times.

[Blake]

How is he pro-slavery?

Why do I need to repeat myself just a few posts later?

[spursncowboys]

God's pretty ty at his job when slavery/indentured servitude/whatever you want to call it to make it sound better was such a prevalent phenomenon during biblical times.

Are you saying slavery isn't prevalent nowadays? In atheists govt and dictators?

[spursncowboys]

Why do I need to repeat myself just a few posts later?

Because you make no sense

[Blake]

Because you make no sense

if I thought you were questioning me based on a fallacy of false alternatives, I might further extrapolate.

But I think I've seen enough of your posts to know that you're simply just not educated enough here to keep up and I'm not in the mood to teach.

Sorry, it just is what it is.

[sjacquemotte]

if I thought you were questioning me based on a fallacy of false alternatives, I might further extrapolate.

But I think I've seen enough of your posts to know that you're simply just not educated enough here to keep up and I'm not in the mood to teach.

Sorry, it just is what it is.

Completely understand. I have you on block and only read your posts if you quote me, since that stupid number on top of the screen drives me nuts.

[Blake]

.... since that stupid number on top of the screen drives me nuts.

So nutty that you had to switch screen names.

weirdo.

[Blake]

.... since that stupid number on top of the screen drives me nuts.

So nutty that you had to switch screen names.

weirdo.

[sjacquemotte]

That's not very nice

[Blake]

That's not very nice

you're not very good at ignoring