Manu Is Considering Retirement

[Spur|n|Austin]

Bunch of gots on this thread.

[baseline bum]

Bingo. Why not take the extra roster space and money and get another youthful player who can grow with Leonard and Green and try and build a new big 3 instead of clinging onto a 36 year old SG that just doesnt have it anymore only because of emotional value.

I honestly think the "Let Manu Walk" crowd is the one acting emotionally, due to anger over his horrible Finals performance so far. But we're only a year removed from Manu dropping 35 on OKC in a must-win WCF game. Is he done? Possibly. But maybe we're just seeing the culmination of a year where he couldn't get healthy. Maybe he can come back strong again next season. Two years ago Duncan looked like the one on his last legs, and he's had an enormous renaissance these last two years when he has managed to stay healthy. And Manu is way too talented and way too compe ive to just throw aside after one bad year. Manu Ginobili's don't grow on trees and the Spurs will have a difficult time finding another player like him in the future. What's the opportunity cost of re-signing Manu next summer? They don't get to sign Kyle Korver? Dwight Howard isn't coming to San Antonio.

[TheGreatYacht]

manu ginobili 2013 season per 36:
18.2 pts 5.2 reb 7.1 ast 2.1 stl .3 blk 3.4 to .560%TS 19.0 PER

jarret jack 2013 season per 36:
15.7 pts 3.7 rev 6.7ast .9stl .2blk 2.4 TO .542%TS 15.9 PER

jack has a better ast/to ratio, nothing else. worst of all, 35 year old manu is actually a better defender than him.

Buddy, the playoffs is what matters. Doesn't do us any good that Manu has a decent regular season only for him to run out of gas in the playoffs.

[100%duncan]

Bunch of gots on this thread.

[baseline bum]

I'm a little nervous about offering Jarrett Jack a long-term deal after one good season shooting the three. Jack is an enormous chucker.

[therealtruth]

Just reduce his responsibilities to get him to last longer. Get an actual backup PG or use McGrady. Let him play off the ball and focus on his shooting. His playmaking should be secondary. Finley was able to keep playing past his expiration date.

[ElNono]

Well thats because 2nd round picks are gambles that rarely pan out. Its not the rookie scale though. Manu's first contract was fair, IMO.

Sure Manny, not rookie scale, but the Spurs had a top 5 SG pretty much after his first season in the league. By league standards, his first two deals weren't fair, they were an absolute steal. I mean props to the FO, etc. but there's no spinning that .

[TheGreatYacht]

[HemisfairArena]

I honestly think the "Let Manu Walk" crowd is the one acting emotionally, due to anger over his horrible Finals performance so far. But we're only a year removed from Manu dropping 35 on OKC in a must-win WCF game. Is he done? Possibly. But maybe we're just seeing the culmination of a year where he couldn't get healthy. Maybe he can come back strong again next season. Two years ago Duncan looked like the one on his last legs, and he's had an enormous renaissance these last two years when he has managed to stay healthy. And Manu is way too talented and way too compe ive to just throw aside after one bad year. Manu Ginobili's don't grow on trees and the Spurs will have a difficult time finding another player like him in the future. What's the opportunity cost of re-signing Manu next summer? They don't get to sign Kyle Korver? Dwight Howard isn't coming to San Antonio.

I get exactly where you are coming from. My POV isnt from just the Finals. We have all watched him struggle to stay healthy but we were rewarded with decent games when he was so we overlooked it. Now that along with no endurance comes ineffectiveness and thats a whole new ballgame. PG/SG hybrids are the easiest positions to replace in the NBA. They basically grow on trees. Yes, Manu has been an invaluable player for our Spurs but IMO...its time to move on. If we can get him for the vet minimum then I say okay because what he has meant to this team and city but we really should look at using that money and roster spot to get younger.

[100%duncan]

lol Jarrett Jack

[maverick1948]

Anyone who thinks Manu retiring would be good news for the Spurs is delusional, tbh.

I agree with TimVP. Losing Manu would not be good news. But delusional? No. He is going to go sooner than later. With the loss of Neal and Blair, we will have 3 slots open for draft and free agents. Manu would make 4 if he retires. We will have about 12.5 mil to work within free agency. We need a big and a backup PG or wing. Splitter is going to get offers. We have to match them if we can. That will take some of the 12.5 mil to finish out the qualifying offer. If Real Madrid makes Splitter a good enough offer, he may go back to Spain, his wife is from Spain. If he goes, then we need 2 bigs and PG or wing. If Manu retires, we would add another wing to that list. Worst case, Splitter leaves, Manu retires. 18.5 mill to fill their slots plus draft. Best case, Splitter stays for 8 mill, Manu returns for 3.5 mill, we have only 6.5 Mill +/- to fill 3 open slots(McGrady will not return) from the draft and free agency.

From a fan's point of view, I love Manu and will hate seeing him retire. From the point of view of the Front office, I have weigh tickets against wins. Tickets sell because of players, but wins also sell tickets. Yes, Manu sells, but Kawhi and Danny also, are starting to sell tickets too. Especially, Kawhi.

Thinking with your heart, you keep Manu, thinking with your business head, you know he will have to take a deep cut in pay to stay.

[superjames1992]

We are screwed if Jarrett Jack is our savior, tbh.

[DesignatedT]

If he's "tired" of the game and isn't emotionally and physically involved in the game anymore then that is certainly attributing to his struggles.

[Fabbs]

Mods change this misleading thread le.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Gotta agree with timvp here. Losing Manu will hurt a lot.

He has a terrible game and all of a sudden you all hate him. Can't believe it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gotta agree with timvp here. Losing Manu will hurt a lot.

He has a terrible game and all of a sudden you all hate him. Can't believe it.

More like a terrible playoff run.

[dallasmaverickslose]

More like a terrible playoff run.

You're an idiot.

[rascal]

Bingo. Why not take the extra roster space and money and get another youthful player who can grow with Leonard and Green and try and build a new big 3 instead of clinging onto a 36 year old SG that just doesnt have it anymore only because of emotional value.

Agree. They should have gotten rid of him after 2007. His value was high and they could have gotten some value back that could have helped them in the following years, instead Manu was always injured during the playoffs.

[Oink Oink]

some people are really ungrateful

[ElNono]

Bottom line is a 3 year/$21million deal (2 last years player option) for *this* Manu is great value both for the Spurs and the player, tbh...

[timvp]

Judging Manu just from this playoff run, he's been worse than we hoped/expected. But let's not take it overboard -- he's still a high quality NBA player. He's the best passing off-guard in the NBA. He has been strong defensively this season. He can play 1, 2 or 3. He's a streaky shooter but has a knack of hitting important shots. Judging him just on his playoffs, Ginobili is still worth something like two years for $7-8 million total.

Looking at the bigger picture and putting his regular season play into the equation, he's still worth something like two years and $12-13 million.

The good thing about Manu as he ages is that he's so skillful that he'll remain useful. As a playmaker off the bench, he is extremely valuable. Let him get healthy and his shooting will likely return. And even during his struggles in the Finals, his athleticism (jumping-wise, at least) has looked fine and not too far removed from his latter prime years.

[ElNono]

People also confuse playing the Bobcats vs playing the champs, tbh... even with his current shooting struggles, he's a super sub against 80% of the league... we don't play Miami all season long...

[Truckules]

I think he still has uses during the regular season, but his time in the rotation during the playoffs is done.

[Chinook]

Bottom line is a 3 year/$21million deal (2 last years player option) for *this* Manu is great value both for the Spurs and the player, tbh...

In all contracts except those for first-round rookies, there can be only one option year, and that year must be the final year.

[ElNono]

In all contracts except those for first-round rookies, there can be only one option year, and that year must be the final year.

Make it 2+1 then, tbh... he can retire at any time anyways, IIRC.