For real...?
Make a fist and rack your raisin balls.
Do it now.
I'd prefer a 1+1 or a 1+2 two non-guaranteed years with a no-trade clause. That way, he has the security to play for the Spurs or another team of his choice, but the team also gets protection if he breaks down and potentially a nice trade chip if he wants to hang it up.
A $7 Million dust chip would be great to have, and Manu should be okay with the trade if he was going to retire anyway.
He's gonna retire a Spur... it's the Spurs or retirement...
The trade would be made only after he makes it clear he's hanging things up. Then, if the Spurs are over the cap, they can use his contract to get a decent piece (or just release him if they're under the cap). He could report to the other team, take his physical, get released and go back to San Antonio for his farewell press conference. It's not like it forces him to play for the other team. If he doesn't want to be traded, he could invoke his no-trade clause as I mentioned earlier. All that contract does is protect both sides in the case of a messy divorce. If Ginobili still wants to play but the Spurs think he's too broken down, they can release him. He then would get the choice of playing somewhere else or retiring. With his no-trade clause, he couldn't be sent somewhere without his consent, so he could have that piece of mind that he won't be forced to a bad situation for his last years.
Oh I know how that works... pretty much what Bowen did...
Yeah, and like McDyess. It seems like the Celtics did a similar thing with Pierce. The Spurs could even guarantee some money for his trouble. If they do that, then even a bigger contract may offer the team some help in the future.
Good. Manu is washed up and has cost us a lot of chances to win games in this series.
I love him for what he has done for this franchise, but currently, he is truly a threat to our chances to win a series that is certainly winnable for us. He was instrumental in our 2005 and 2007 runs, but right now and throughout the recent years of the playoffs — he has cost us.
Poor timing to reveal this out in the middle of the post-season when his biggest focus should be not looking like an aloof player out there. He is more Turnobili and less spectacular than he should be to win these games.
You can't like Manu got nothing in return. Yeah, the Spurs got excellent value on his first deal but very few 2nd round draft picks pan out. The contract he got was actually larger than most 2nd round picks get, IIRC. The 2nd one was fair too. Manu got paid and he won rings. He had the option to leave to Denver where he would not have been as successful. Manu traded money for the chance to win rings. Good choice, Manu.
Would be extremely overpaying for this Manu, IMO.
More like 2 years 10 million (which I still feel is a bit high).
I would take him with the way he played in these playoffs over a few on our team. He is not a savior but he had a very good playoffs and LIT US UP LOL! He could not miss.Yours seems very reasonable there!We are screwed if Jarrett Jack is our savior, tbh.
I'm very disgusted, appalled, and shocked by all the stupid comments about Manu in this and other threads. You guys have come out of your hole to take advantage of the situation. Pretty sure you've been looking for your opportunity for a long time.
It's really sad. But let's hazard something here, shall we. What if Manu has a couple monster games and the Spurs end up winning the finals? are you going to come out and apologize, beg for your Internet life, bend over?
Some of the stuff I've been reading is borderline hateful. I'm not sure what Manu has ever done to warrant such behavior by some so-called Spurs' fans. I can't find any instance or situation in which Manu has behaved in disrespect or disdain for the Spurs' organization or its fans. It's pretty saddening that some people aren't just cut out to watch basketball or have an opinion anymore.
I understand you will try silencing me by saying he has had a horrible playoff season. There's no need. I can see that myself so that's a point that you don't need to make.
But everything else that has been said and "DONE" here in these forums cannot be taken back and If I was Manu I would definitely be thinking long and hard about moving to another team or quitting after the barrage of stupidity in this forum, which turns to be the #1 Spurs-related forum on the planet. If you believe for a second he doesn't know what is going on in here you are delusional.
I don't know Manu personally, but as I'm writing these words, I feel the pain of what is going on. I'm really shocked at the stuff I'm reading in these forums. I think some people have seriously soiled this place beyond repair, and before you call me "melodramatic" I can tell you I'm not the only one feeling that way.
I don't care about those who have an opinion and clearly don't understand about basketball. I can't take them seriously. But I'm shocked about hearing these things from those who I believeD knew about the game. I'm truly and utterly appalled by their behavior, especially since I've known them in this place for many many years. I won't waste my time pointing out names - you know who you are and what you have done.
I wanted to see Manu come back next year and together with Timmy and Tony attempt to overtake the LA trio with 110 playoff wins. I thought that was a nice and profound way to install this team as a dynasty for ever. Now I'm not sure anymore whether that could ever materialize since so many people are calling for Manu to retire "right now". I don't think he deserves these from fans at all. If he had been a different type of player, with real issues, and an asshole, I could actually understand something like this a little bit. But that's just not true. Can you see that?
Last but not least. There has been some people actually trying to sell the idea that Manu has been overpaid during his tenure at the Spurs. I'm not sure what you are on but I don't want any of that.
You have the perfect avatar for this bull . This is one of the more melodramatic posts I've read on here in a long time. Thanks for bolding it. The impact was so much more with the bold
I promise you every Spurs fan hopes Manu plays extremely well over the next 2 games. I promise you no Spurs fan wants him to suck. LOL @ soiled this place. The criticism Manu has gotten recently is not even a top 50 thing in the worst things posted on this site.
Thank you for the seriousness in your reply. I see what you are trying to do, but it doesn't change what happened the last couple days.
But that's ridiculous, Manny. He earned the rings being an integral part of those playoffs runs. It wasn't given to him. The fact that the Spurs not only got great talent on the cheap but also a loyal guy much more interested in winning than money, goes to show that when you look at market-value, Manu has been a bargain for at least the first 6 years or his career. The Spurs luckied out on him in much more ways than one. The fact that they agreed to a contract in 03-04 instead of 04-05 (after the olympics and the Pistons finals) was nothing but major luck and some savvy business. Around that time he was easily top 3 SG in the league, and earning nowhere near a max deal.
Let's not be silly here, you can see ridiculously overpaid played all over the league. Joe Johnson? Kobe? Nash? You could say this season Manu was overpaid, but overall throughout his career, the Spurs have had him way cheap compared to the league's market value.
Dude you want to look at every contract with hindsight instead of at the time it was being signed. Of course the Spurs got value but there's a reason Manu never had a max contract and thats because he was never a free agent when he was a max type player. When he signed his contracts, he got fair contracts. You compared them to a rookie deal which isn't a fair comparison. A #1 pick being restricted on what they can earn is not the same as a 50+ pick getting a small contract.
And while the Spurs may have gotten lucky, Manu got lucky as too. If the Spurs don't draft him then he probably doesn't come to the NBA until later in this career. Manu was one of the first international players brought over before it became mainstream to scout overseas. Everyone benefited from those contracts.
What I'm pointing out is that his performance outweighed his salary many times. I mean, if we're going to about what he's making this particular season based on how he played this season, when the contract was signed 4 years ago, then it's fair to say Manu in 02-03, 03-04, 04-05, 05-06, 06-07 was underpaid for what was bringing to the table back then.
I'm not even sure I want to go there. There's zero doubt he would've been a multi-millionaire playing in Europe too.
He certainly wasn't a pioneer in foreigners-in-the-NBA area. The first actual 'wave' of overseas talent predates him (Kukoc, Petrovic, Sabonis, Divac, etc). He was certainly part of talent that solidified that.
His stats over the last four years (his WS and PER compared to other older guards) indeed put him in the $21M/3 range as far as production goes. What he and the Spurs agree to is a different matter altogether, though. Remember, even before his resurgence, Duncan still had a max-player level impact. He would have been worth a $48/3 deal easily.
AFAIK, based on some of the articles I translated over the last year that touched on the topic, my impression is that if Manu wants to come back, the situation will be similar to TD last summer... in other words, the Spurs will make their moves, and then will sit down and see what's left and consider fair. I'm sure if Manu doesn't retire (which IMO is unlikely), he'll be a Spurs next season.
But really, who cares what Ginobili makes if the Spurs don't plan to use cap space? The team is probably just going to stand pat, anyway. If they trade Bonner during the draft, use their pick on a domestic player and use the MLE to get a couple of back-ups. They'll be able to re-sign Ginobili and Splitter to whatever contracts they want and still stay under the tax. That's the most likely scenario.
Good. Spurs should use their cap space to sign Jarret Jack (Manu's replacement and backup PG to Tony Parker) and another big man, either Al Jefferson or David West. If Manu doesn't retire then the Spurs can sign him with whatever cap room or money there is left. Isn't that what Duncan did so that the Spurs could sign Richard Jefferson?
I agree. It really depends on how much of a discount he's willing to give. If he's thinking room exception, the Spurs will be able to get at least one significant free agent (Millsap/Iguadola caliber) or a even a max player if they decide not to keep Splitter. But if San Antonio has no desire to make such a drastic move, there's no reason not to give Ginobili a healthy deal that allows them to get out of it after next season if Manu doesn't want to keep playing. Then the team will have a lot more money (Diaw, De Colo and Mills count for about six million and the cap is supposed to increase by another four) and a better crop of players to try to sign.
Don't sleep on Neal's situation either, especially after these Finals. Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that some team throws stupid money at him, and the Spurs might not want to match and overpay. In a way, I think DeColo is insurance for that, but there's still many questions about DeColo... in that case Manu would be great insurance.
Sort of. The Spurs stayed over the cap last off-season, so there was no reason to order all of the signings in any special way. Duncan could literally wait until the team re-signed everyone and then take what's left.
Ginobili can't do that exactly, because the Spurs have to deal with his cap hold. So they'd either have to renounce him and ear-mark either the room exception or a certain chunk of cap space for him or give him a deal before trying to sign someone else. In theory this isn't difficult, because there is a period at the beginning of the off-season when teams at talk to, but not actually sign free agents. So the team could agree to the necessary deals and then officially send them into the league in the necessary order. But practically speaking, this is harder, since there are some monetary hangups that could occur. If the Spurs decide to stay over the cap, or if Ginobili decides to take the room exception, none of that matters. But any free-agent foray that requires Ginobili to wait until the end for a deal is risky.
Also, Jack is going to get about $8 Million a year. He's not really a realistic target.
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