NBA: IF Lebron loses again, where do you guys rank him?

[AchillesHeel]

hmmmm... Lebron hasnt lost to slouch teams TBH. and hes got PLENTY of career left to win trophies. especially if he goes back to Cleveland with Kyrie and that team theyre building up there.

tbh he'll be 29 yrs old going 30 next year, let's say he loses this year, miss Finals next year and returns to Cleveland, and somehow rings with Kyrie and them boys, does he still win the fMVP? Kyrie's already putting up 23 4 and 6 in his 2nd year in the league, tbh.

[StrengthAndHonor]

He's not winning a le in Cleveland. With proper development and drafting, that young team needs a 3-5 yr window before they become contenders even with Lebron. It would be interesting to see how Lebron will handle his FA, that will determine the remaining part of his legacy. I think he stays in Miami while Pat reels another prime time talent along Lebron. This much is clear though, Bosh or Wade needs to go. The way I see it, Bosh is probably traded this offseason since Pat will pull that "loyalty" card with Wade.

[King Nupe]

If Lebron Loses, and Howard stays in LA, he will need to consider moving to LA....Howard and Dwight would be unstoppable. Along with Kobe taking a pay cut....Gasol, could also stay on a smaller contract...


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[StrengthAndHonor]

Thats a pipe dream. Lebron aint moving to the Lakers and be Kobe's . I could see him going there once Kobe hangs them up, but knowing that sociopath, he'll probably pull a come back just like Jordan at age 39 just to with LeBeta's mind.

[BobaFett1]

So where you fellas put Wade on the list?

[TrainOfThought5]

tbh he'll be 29 yrs old going 30 next year, let's say he loses this year, miss Finals next year and returns to Cleveland, and somehow rings with Kyrie and them boys, does he still win the fMVP? Kyrie's already putting up 23 4 and 6 in his 2nd year in the league, tbh.

Kobe has Robin'd his way to AT LEAST 3 rings and possibly 5 rings and people love to make erroneous assertions at him being top ten.

to answer your question, yes. i believe Lebron will start playin more PF and will find it easier to dominate when spoon fed easy buckets Kyrie leading to Co MVPs.

[resistanze]

Being 1-4 in the Finals isn't the issue....going 1-4 Finals is better than going 1-1. You don't get points because you got eliminated before the big dance.

That being said, LeBron's choke jobs in 2011 and this year (if it continues) pushes him out of the top 10 talk (not necessarily permanently). He'd have to win a couple of more rings as the man to get back in the top 10 discussion.

[TrainOfThought5]

He's not winning a le in Cleveland. With proper development and drafting, that young team needs a 3-5 yr window before they become contenders even with Lebron. It would be interesting to see how Lebron will handle his FA, that will determine the remaining part of his legacy. I think he stays in Miami while Pat reels another prime time talent along Lebron. This much is clear though, Bosh or Wade needs to go. The way I see it, Bosh is probably traded this offseason since Pat will pull that "loyalty" card with Wade.

Completely disagree. winning a le with cleveland would be EASY. their already building great talent around Kyrie. all they need is a bigman that plays good D and can shoot a midrange J. insert Lebron and you have an INSTANT finals favorite in the east.

[BobaFett1]

Completely disagree. winning a le with cleveland would be EASY. their already building great talent around Kyrie. all they need is a bigman that plays good D and can shoot a midrange J. insert Lebron and you have an INSTANT finals favorite in the east.

Bigmen are hard to find that are worth a .

[StrengthAndHonor]

Why do people think winning a le is as easy as A-B-C? You think you can just plug and play and produce a le? Everyone thought Lebron, Wade and Bosh would win 3 peats easily and here they are on the verge of losing 2 of their last 3 Final trips. Kyrie is a PG, Lebron needs the ball in his hands to be effective. There's only one leather on the court.

[Richie]

Purely by virtue of his 4x MVP, he is knocking on the door of Top 10.

Presently constructed, I can see the Heat struggling in the coming years. They've been fortunate in the last 2 years with Rose being injured, if he is healthy I think the Bulls beat the Heat because of their defence/size. Pacers are also a quality ball handler away from upsetting them in a series.

He's still only 28, but I don't get this idea that it's inevitable that he'll end up with 4+ rings. However I'm sure he'll try to form another super team if in 2014 if they lose this year and next.

Except for The Decision and his 'not 2, not 3...', I actually quite like Lebron. I think he generally has a strong, selfless at ude. He's bought all this scrutiny on himself, and for that I have no sympathy.

[JoeTait75]

Winning a le with cleveland would be EASY.

Might be the first time this sentence has appeared in print, tbh. I do agree it wouldn't take 3-5 years for the Cavaliers to contend w/LeBron. I think just about any team in the NBA, outside of maybe Charlotte and Orlando, would be an instant contender w/LeBron. He's that good.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Contending is different from easily winning a le.

[JoeTait75]

Contending is different from easily winning a le.

Way different, yeah.

[TrainOfThought5]

Contending is different from easily winning a le.

true. i misspoke when i said Win. the eastern conference is still trash compared to the west. Lebron teaming up with Kyrie would ensure at LEAST 4 trips to the finals in 5 years, if healthy, imo.

[whitemamba]

yes

And ?

i was a little surprised by italy tbh, but even more surprised pirlo still tearin up.

[TrainOfThought5]

2nd GOAT instead of GOAT tbh

win plenty after this year.

D Rose and them bulls are coming for genocide-like vengeance next year. believe that.

if the Pacers ever get a real PG they'll be formidable as well.

[dunkman]

Every finals is worth half a 'ship or at least 1/3, tbh. He needs a go to move, something that's difficult to guard. Would rate him top 15.

[Chris]

[dbreiden83080]

Even if he wins he is nowhere close to where the media puts him. His career in the finals has been dreadful. He can come back and play great these next 2 games but he still played like trash the first 3..

[dbreiden83080]

He was awful in the 2nd half last night also...

[StrengthAndHonor]

if the Pacers ever get a real PG they'll be formidable as well.

I dont know what Pacers' idea of a PG is but if this rings true then they're not much better next season. Would love to see them make a run for a REAL PG like you said.


According to Brett Poirier, the Bucks may attempt to sign and trade Brandon Jennings to IND for Danny Granger. Unsure how to make the tweets showup on here, but this is his twitter.

https://twitter.com/BrettNBA

Im assuming for this trade to happen, Indy would agree to pay Jennings the amount they are currently paying Granger (which seems rather high to me). Who gets the better side of this deal? Is it something you could actually see happening?

[Jenks]

D Rose and them bulls are coming for genocide-like vengeance next year. believe that.

if the Pacers ever get a real PG they'll be formidable as well.

Does formidable mean getting to the finals? Because if Vogel's brain didn't completely seize up for the last 10 seconds of game 1 of the ECF they'd probably be in the finals right now. Also not sure if Granger returning makes them formidable in your eyes, either.

[irishock]

The East will eventually be better tbh... Spoelstra will find a way to lose before the Finals.

[hater]

Top 12 career-wise, #3 peak-wise(2012)..

Choking in the Finals in 2011 took him out of the Jordan convo, and choking again in 2013 eliminates him from the Kareem/Magic/Duncan(after he wins his 5th) tier, but he's still in reach of everybody else..

cosign

IMO he'll be top 10 when all said and done(but on the back-end) but he'll also carry the loser label in same fashion as historic losers like Malone, Stockton, Kidd and Eric Snow