We have to either draft or sign a FA a SG/SF this offseason.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Guys I know alot of you have been bashing Manu and I think you need to all calm the down and stop being to hard on him.

With that said, even I agree that Manu cannot be the player that he once was for us. I want him back, and I believe he will be. However, I think his role will be noticably reduced come next season. It's not a kock against him; he's just old and his game his deteriorated. He can still be a great role-player for us.

But guys, we NEED to either draft or sign a solid SG/SF this offseason. With the draft position that we're in, I don't honestly think our chances of acquiring a solid contributor throuigh the draft are very good this year. Probably going to be a raw prospect unless we get lucky.

That's why I think we need to look into somebody like Mike Dunleavy or Kyle Korver. Now neither of these guys are the youngest in the lague, but they definitely still have a handful of years left in the tank. I strongly hope we nab one of these guys. Either of them could step right in as a big contributor next season.

My gut tells me Neal won't be back. Some team is going to overpay him this offseason. If that happens, I wish Neal nothing but the best. I have nothing against him, and I thank him for everything he's done for us.

However, I do think we can get an upgrade over Neal this offseason. Also, we should keep T-mac. Give him a full offseason and camp. He might surprise us.


***ALSO: If there are any other notable SG/SF's from FA or the draft, please feel free to list them.


So, What do yall think?

[DJR210]

1	Ben McLemore	Kansas	Fr.	SG	6-5	195
2	Victor Oladipo	Indiana	Jr.	SG	6-5	214
3	Kentavious Caldwell-Pope	Georgia	Soph.	SG	6-5	205
4	Allen Crabbe	California	Jr.	SG	6-6	210
5	Reggie Bullock	North Carolina	Jr.	SG	6-7	205
6	Archie Goodwin	Kentucky	Fr.	SG	6-4	198
7	Jamaal Franklin	San Diego State	Jr.	SG	6-5	205
8	Ricky Ledo	Providence	Fr.	SG	6-7	195
9	Tim Hardaway Jr.	Michigan	Jr.	SG	6-6	205
10	Tony Snell	New Mexico	Jr.	SG	6-7	200
11	Alex Abrines	Spain	-	SG	6-5	190
12	Khalif Wyatt	Temple	Sr.	SG	6-4	210
13	BJ Young	Arkansas	Soph.	SG	6-3	180
14	Brandon Paul	Illinois	Sr.	SG	6-4	200
15	Carrick Felix	Arizona State	Sr.	SG	6-6	197
16	Michael Snaer	Florida State	Sr.	SG	6-5	202
17	Vander Blue	Marquette	Jr.	SG	6-4	200
18	Seth Curry	Duke	Sr.	SG	6-2	185
19	Durand Scott	Miami (Fla.)	Sr.	SG	6-5	203
20	Will Clyburn	Iowa State	Sr.	SG	6-7	210
21	Rotnei Clarke

Per CBS Sports..

[dallasmaverickslose]

1	Ben McLemore	Kansas	Fr.	SG	6-5	195
2	Victor Oladipo	Indiana	Jr.	SG	6-5	214
3	Kentavious Caldwell-Pope	Georgia	Soph.	SG	6-5	205
4	Allen Crabbe	California	Jr.	SG	6-6	210
5	Reggie Bullock	North Carolina	Jr.	SG	6-7	205
6	Archie Goodwin	Kentucky	Fr.	SG	6-4	198
7	Jamaal Franklin	San Diego State	Jr.	SG	6-5	205
8	Ricky Ledo	Providence	Fr.	SG	6-7	195
9	Tim Hardaway Jr.	Michigan	Jr.	SG	6-6	205
10	Tony Snell	New Mexico	Jr.	SG	6-7	200
11	Alex Abrines	Spain	-	SG	6-5	190
12	Khalif Wyatt	Temple	Sr.	SG	6-4	210
13	BJ Young	Arkansas	Soph.	SG	6-3	180
14	Brandon Paul	Illinois	Sr.	SG	6-4	200
15	Carrick Felix	Arizona State	Sr.	SG	6-6	197
16	Michael Snaer	Florida State	Sr.	SG	6-5	202
17	Vander Blue	Marquette	Jr.	SG	6-4	200
18	Seth Curry	Duke	Sr.	SG	6-2	185
19	Durand Scott	Miami (Fla.)	Sr.	SG	6-5	203
20	Will Clyburn	Iowa State	Sr.	SG	6-7	210
21	Rotnei Clarke

Per CBS Sports..

My goodness almost all of these guys are as light as a feather...

[DJR210]

My goodness almost all of these guys are as light as a feather...

Same thing I was thinking, but IIRC Manu is like 205.

[DJR210]

Here is CBS Sports SF ranking -

Rank	Player	School	Year	POS	HGT	WGT
1	Otto Porter	Georgetown	Soph.	SF	6-8	205
2	Shabazz Muhammad	UCLA	Fr.	SF	6-6	225
3	Dario Saric	Croatia	-	SF	6-10	225
4	Glen Rice Jr.	Georgia Tech	Jr.	SF	6-5	206
5	Sergey Karasev	Russia	-	SF	6-7	205
6	Deshaun Thomas	Ohio State	Jr.	SF	6-7	215
7	Giannis Adetokundo	Greece	-	SF	6-9	196
8	C.J. Leslie	N.C. State	Jr.	SF	6-9	200
9	Adonis Thomas	Memphis	Soph.	SF	6-7	240
10	Livio Jean-Charles	French Guiana	-	SF	6-9	210
11	James Ennis	Long Beach State	Sr.	SF	6-7	210
12	D.J. Stephens	Memphis	Sr.	SF	6-5	188
13	James Southerland	Syracuse	Sr.	SF	6-8	215
14	Solomon Hill	Arizona	Sr.	SF	6-7	220
15	Rodney Williams Jr.	Minnesota	Sr.	SF	6-7	200
16	Elias Harris	Gonzaga	Sr.	SF	6-8	239
17	Ryan Broekhoff	Valparaiso	Sr.	SF	6-7	215

[smaka]

^Saric withdrew from draft, so count him out.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Here is CBS Sports SF ranking -

Rank	Player	School	Year	POS	HGT	WGT
1	Otto Porter	Georgetown	Soph.	SF	6-8	205
2	Shabazz Muhammad	UCLA	Fr.	SF	6-6	225
3	Dario Saric	Croatia	-	SF	6-10	225
4	Glen Rice Jr.	Georgia Tech	Jr.	SF	6-5	206
5	Sergey Karasev	Russia	-	SF	6-7	205
6	Deshaun Thomas	Ohio State	Jr.	SF	6-7	215
7	Giannis Adetokundo	Greece	-	SF	6-9	196
8	C.J. Leslie	N.C. State	Jr.	SF	6-9	200
9	Adonis Thomas	Memphis	Soph.	SF	6-7	240
10	Livio Jean-Charles	French Guiana	-	SF	6-9	210
11	James Ennis	Long Beach State	Sr.	SF	6-7	210
12	D.J. Stephens	Memphis	Sr.	SF	6-5	188
13	James Southerland	Syracuse	Sr.	SF	6-8	215
14	Solomon Hill	Arizona	Sr.	SF	6-7	220
15	Rodney Williams Jr.	Minnesota	Sr.	SF	6-7	200
16	Elias Harris	Gonzaga	Sr.	SF	6-8	239
17	Ryan Broekhoff	Valparaiso	Sr.	SF	6-7	215

Let's find a decent-sized SF prospect that can also play the 2-guard well. Let Manu, T-mac, and maybe even one of our FA pick-ups this offseason mentor him.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Seriously, nobody else had any other thoughts?

[TrainOfThought5]

Seriously, nobody else had any other thoughts?

most of us are still reeling from the loss... and the emotionally overwhelming death blow of Manu Ginobili to be honest.

[Kidd K]

Korver and Dunleavy aren't what we need. Those guys would be replacements for Neal's role, not Manu's. Manu can still play that shooter's role and occaisional slasher's role. What he can't do is play the 2nd unit ballhandler's role anymore. Yes, he can occaisionally (once every 10 games maybe) look good doing it, but half the time in between he may look like and the other 4 average at best.

That's what we need to address. Imo, we need to be looking at combo guards. Shooters who can handle the ball. People like, but not neccessarily including: Jamal Crawford, Jarret Jack, George Hill. You know?

Shubazz Mohammed (who we won't be able to get) would be a good choice via draft.

Via free agenecy, there's Nate Robinson and Jarret Jack. Nate is probably the cheaper and better choice, because he can sort of simulate Parker when Parker's on the bench, plus he can play alongside Parker as the SG as well (he did this in Chicago a lot last year, and it worked really well).

Nate or Jack imo would be huge, huge free agent additions, and I really hope the Spurs go after them if they don't trade up in the draft again.

[Baam]

Seriously, nobody else had any other thoughts?

It's not a simple equation, someone like Re is said to have a house in SA and is an UFA but what kind of role can you give him? Maybe move Manu to backup 3 and sell him on a 3 guards rotation :

TP Re
Green Re
Kawhi Manu
??? Diaw
Tim Baynes

[BackHome]

Or posting in the Draft Forum.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Korver and Dunleavy aren't what we need. Those guys would be replacements for Neal's role, not Manu's. Manu can still play that shooter's role and occaisional slasher's role. What he can't do is play the 2nd unit ballhandler's role anymore. Yes, he can occaisionally (once every 10 games maybe) look good doing it, but half the time in between he may look like and the other 4 average at best.

That's what we need to address. Imo, we need to be looking at combo guards. Shooters who can handle the ball. People like, but not neccessarily including: Jamal Crawford, Jarret Jack, George Hill. You know?

Shubazz Mohammed (who we won't be able to get) would be a good choice via draft.

Via free agenecy, there's Nate Robinson and Jarret Jack. Nate is probably the cheaper and better choice, because he can sort of simulate Parker when Parker's on the bench, plus he can play alongside Parker as the SG as well (he did this in Chicago a lot last year, and it worked really well).

Nate or Jack imo would be huge, huge free agent additions, and I really hope the Spurs go after them if they don't trade up in the draft again.

Nate Robinson would be good, but I feel that Joseph will work on his game a lot this offseason, and T-mac might also step in as another option to run the point.

[Kidd K]

Nate Robinson would be good, but I feel that Joseph will work on his game a lot this offseason, and T-mac might also step in as another option to run the point.

Yeah, I agree about Joseph. I'm interested to see his progress in the offseason. I hope he can improve enough and turn out to be a reliable backup. We really need one. . .that's been a big hole for us since we traded Hill. Really too bad what happened with TJ Ford because he was looking really nice right before the injury.

T-Mac. . .I dunno, he looked really slow, lethargic, and passive out there this year. We'll see though on him. I always liked him back in the day.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Yeah, I agree about Joseph. I'm interested to see his progress in the offseason. I hope he can improve enough and turn out to be a reliable backup. We really need one. . .that's been a big hole for us since we traded Hill. Really too bad what happened with TJ Ford because he was looking really nice right before the injury.

T-Mac. . .I dunno, he looked really slow, lethargic, and passive out there this year. We'll see though on him. I always liked him back in the day.

TJ Ford fit the role perfectly, and he was a class-act. I have faith in Joseph; he just lack experience and is still a little raw in some aspects of his game.

[Boomersgold]

Mike Miller (if amnestied), Dunleavy, Korver or Re

[TheGreatYacht]

Korver and Dunleavy aren't what we need. Those guys would be replacements for Neal's role, not Manu's. Manu can still play that shooter's role and occaisional slasher's role. What he can't do is play the 2nd unit ballhandler's role anymore. Yes, he can occaisionally (once every 10 games maybe) look good doing it, but half the time in between he may look like and the other 4 average at best.

That's what we need to address. Imo, we need to be looking at combo guards. Shooters who can handle the ball. People like, but not neccessarily including: Jamal Crawford, Jarret Jack, George Hill. You know?

Shubazz Mohammed (who we won't be able to get) would be a good choice via draft.

Via free agenecy, there's Nate Robinson and Jarret Jack. Nate is probably the cheaper and better choice, because he can sort of simulate Parker when Parker's on the bench, plus he can play alongside Parker as the SG as well (he did this in Chicago a lot last year, and it worked really well).

Nate or Jack imo would be huge, huge free agent additions, and I really hope the Spurs go after them if they don't trade up in the draft again.

Thank you. We desperately need a backup point guard to Tony Parker. Parker isn't a little kid anymore and Pop needs to start managing his minutes, which I'm pretty sure Pop is an expert at LOL. We can get away with playing Neal, Manu (I doubt big time), or CoJO as a backup PG during the regular season but come playoff time, Parker will gas himself out and get more prone to injuries. We also need to find another big man better than soft a*s Splitter. Al Jefferson, David West, JJ Hickson, or Greg Oden (huge gamble) are some good options.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Thank you. We desperately need a backup point guard to Tony Parker. Parker isn't a little kid anymore and Pop needs to start managing his minutes, which I'm pretty sure Pop is an expert at LOL. We can get away with playing Neal, Manu (I doubt big time), or CoJO as a backup PG during the regular season but come playoff time, Parker will gas himself out and get prone to more injuries. We also need to find another big man better than soft a*s Splitter. Al Jefferson, David West, JJ Hickson, or Greg Oden (huge gamble) are some good options.

Give Joseph a chance to work on his game this offseason. I'm sure that he learned alot and gained alot of experience from this year's deep playoff run. Joseph showed a of alot of promise this season, and I expect him to continue to improve.

[mudyez]

T-Mac. . .I dunno, he looked really slow, lethargic, and passive out there this year. We'll see though on him. I always liked him back in the day.

He played in blowout situations only and always looked somewhat lethargic (but in reality hisn't)...2weeks ago I was against him, but right now I'd say: give him a shot if he sings for vet-min!

[dallasmaverickslose]

He played in blowout situations only and always looked somewhat lethargic (but in reality hisn't)...2weeks ago I was against him, but right now I'd say: give him a shot if he sings for vet-min!

Honestly, it's kind of harsh to conclude that T-mac's washed up at this point. He was signed literally just weeks before the playoffs, and he was out of shape. I'm not sure ANY player in those sort of cir stances could perform well in the playoffs. I hope we keep him at least next season and see what he can do. What do we honestly have to lose at this point?

Also, any other thoughts on SG/SF prospects?

[skulls138]

If Manu comes back, I don't think SG/SF is our biggest concern. I think we need a little bit of help in all areas. In SF/SG we have Leonard, Greene, Neal, Ginobili. I think that's a pretty solid group. What about a backup PG or a another quality bigman? I think we go for best quality player no matter what his position is, as long as he wont be a cancer.

[MannyIsGod]

If the Spus believe the mindset of Kawhi Leonard is a big part of his success, they should pick up my man Tony Snell



Exact same at ude. Not sure if he'll fall far enough, though. His stock has risen hugely. Think Danny Green but with MUCH MUCH MUCH better handles and the ability to finish at the rim. Same kind of defense though.

I also saw a lot of Tim Hardaway Jr but he's very streaky and didn't show me a lot at the rim, TBH.

[dallasmaverickslose]

If the Spus believe the mindset of Kawhi Leonard is a big part of his success, they should pick up my man Tony Snell



Exact same at ude. Not sure if he'll fall far enough, though. His stock has risen hugely. Think Danny Green but with MUCH MUCH MUCH better handles and the ability to finish at the rim. Same kind of defense though.

I also saw a lot of Tim Hardaway Jr but he's very streaky and didn't show me a lot at the rim, TBH.

Sounds good to me; he need to gain some weight though.

[Kidd K]

He played in blowout situations only and always looked somewhat lethargic (but in reality hisn't)...2weeks ago I was against him, but right now I'd say: give him a shot if he sings for vet-min!

That is true, but I have also watched the guy prior to this year too. He's 34 now though, and I'm not sure I buy the "it takes two full years to come back from that kind of injury" excuse because he's been battling injuries and declining even before his latest serious injury.

I don't think he's worth signing just to wait and see, but I guess if he looks great over the summer and the Spurs want him back, I couldn't really argue with it if he looks good and wants back at a low price.

Thank you. We desperately need a backup point guard to Tony Parker. Parker isn't a little kid anymore and Pop needs to start managing his minutes, which I'm pretty sure Pop is an expert at LOL. We can get away with playing Neal, Manu (I doubt big time), or CoJO as a backup PG during the regular season but come playoff time, Parker will gas himself out and get more prone to injuries. We also need to find another big man better than soft a*s Splitter. Al Jefferson, David West, JJ Hickson, or Greg Oden (huge gamble) are some good options.

I actually wouldn't mind taking a gamble on Oden IF he appears to be healthy. And yes, I capitalized it because I know it's a big if. :P He'd be cheap as plus I mean he doesn't need to play 25-30 minutes anyway. 15-20 tops is all we need from him. Oden needs to go somewhere as a backup so he has less risk of injury by playing for long periods of time. Wouldn't want Hickson and Jefferson would probably be too expensive but I actually wouldn't mind David West at all. We really could've used a second low post threat so Timmy didn't get so gassed doing it on his own. The defense wouldn't be as good as with Splitter, but Splitter goes into ghost mode when it matters most.

As for Joseph, he is honestly the only guy on the team besides Tony parker who even looks like he knows what he's doing when he's dribbling the basketball. There's such a huge dropoff after Parker, then there's just two guys who looked decent (Joseph and Manu. . .early in the season anyway), then another huge dropoff and it's all below average after that. Joseph, being just 22, I think it worth still keeping and trying since there's room for improvement still.

Nando needs to go though if he doesn't DRASTICALLY improve immediately. He needs to be on the Toros or cut imo. He isn't good enough for the NBA yet. I think Joseph could benefit from some more time with the Toros too though, but so he can practice being more aggressive and confident, then be brought up mid season to be our backup (assuming we don't bring in anyone for the role).

[TheGoldStandard]

Seth Curry just because of the family name.