To all the idiots blaming Manu for Game 7; I bet you'd be upset to see Manu jump ship

[sammy]

First off, whoever banned me for 3 days so I couldn't get on Spurs Talk and post during the finale.

I see a lot of posts of people talking about Ginobili and his performance in game seven of the finals. Personally, I think it's pretty funny that Manu gets the blame considering he was the person keeping us in the game (alongside Duncan and Leonard). Ginobili tallied 18 points and 5 assists, while having 3 turnovers in the final quarter.

I thought Manu looked great out there last night. His eurostep/hopstep was on point and his shooting was actually well. The problem I have with the forum on this issue is that they consider the blame to be on "Turnobili". Consider the following:

- The "leader" of our team went 3/12 and at times completely went in hero mode. That man is Tony Parker. I like Parker when he gets into hero mode, but he obviously didn't look for the pass much at all last night. We knew he had to step up in game seven for us to win. I understand he's injured, but I think that plays more of a roll than Ginobili.

- Danny Green and Gary Neal's horrific shooting. Neal not as much (2 for 8), but Green going 1 for 12 is horrible. Especially considering he was making such bonehead mistakes (the turnover on the fast break). In the games at home, we was moving around lots. However, in this game, he seemed content just staying in a corner. I understand the D is guarding you tight, but damn.. the only shot you could make was wide open? He had to play better to win.

- Before someone brings up the "record breaking shooting spree" as an excuse to his poor play, also remember that Ginobili dished out 24 and 10 in game five.

Ginobili played like vintage Manu the other night, but people's blind hatred gets in the way of it. The sad reality is he is a scapegoat for Spurs fans and they fail to realize that he's always played like that, he's always had his "turnover" days, and he's been injured. ?

I read earlier someone claim that he's cost the Spurs "two les". No, poor perimeter shooting, not executing when we had a chance, and the heartbreaking game six loss all played more of a roll than Manu.

A lot of you guys say "vet minimum or let him walk". I guarantee you guys wouldn't be thinking that if you thought Ginobili wouldn't retire if he wasn't a Spur. Remember, Ginobili doesn't want to retire just yet. How would you feel if he was on the Clippers? Heat? Lakers? Mavericks? I bet all of your at udes would change.

So in conclusion, those who feel it's Manu's fault... are stupid as . It was a team effort and despite two turnovers at the end... Leonard, Duncan and Green all messed up towards the end too. Missed opportunities.

Great post! Welcome back! I've been defending Manu from all the haters as well! These traitor ass es that forget all of good he has done for the Spurs! All you Manu haters GTFO!

[sammy]

Well said.

Two stupid idiots! Both of you need to be banned. Bunch of dumbasses!

[HemisfairArena]

Game 7? ...I'm not even over his pathetic play and 8 turnovers in game 6.

[sammy]

Are fuc*ing kidding me? Quit living in the past dude. He's no longer what you think he is. Are your his brother? Why are you defending him so much? Manu ADIOS AMIGO. You are DONE.

Look you need to GTFO! ing hater!

[TrainOfThought5]

Game 7? ...I'm not even over his pathetic play and 8 turnovers in game 6.

[TrainOfThought5]

is this real life?? people are saying "We need manu to make it to the finals?"

Need him to do what? seriously. Bad passes, clang 3's, and sit on the bench injured or half injured half the season for more money than another team would pay him??

seriously shed light on what we "NEED" manu for next year.

[texmich]

Lol everytime I read a pro manu post 90% of the time it has manu from 5 yrs ago in the avatar ...... <-- manu defenders at his present age n ability

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol everytime I read a pro manu post 90% of the time it has manu from 5 yrs ago in the avatar ...... <-- manu defenders at his present age n ability

The OP is probably from Argentina too.

[Kidd K]

Yeah see, nobody denies Manu from 5 years ago was good, or even Manu from 2 years ago.

The issue is that he's much worse now. You have to be blind, dumb, or trolling to think Manu wasn't the most disappointing Spur in the Finals. There were other disappointing Spurs like Splitter, but Pop benched him so his ty play didn't at least shoot us in the foot. He left Manu out there to repeatedly the bed. . .which is even worse.

One game does not make up for 4 poor games, one VERY TY game, and yet another chokejob at the end of game 7 after an average game.

If Manu left, I really, honestly, would not give a . I don't want him back for anything near what he was getting paid. 7m/year tops, and that's still probably a little more than he's worth considering he will probably be missing a lot of games per par.

[ElNono]

There were other disappointing Spurs like Splitter, but Pop benched him so his ty play didn't at least shoot us in the foot.

There's a huge difference though. Splitter didn't really fit in these series, because Miami played mostly small. With Manu, there was no plan B. Neal showed up in only one game in these series, and there's no way, no how he can handle the rock.

And frankly, this isn't the first time that one of the big 3 has a visible drop in production and a bad series. I understand Spursfan was badly bitten because it's the Finals, but they have short memory too.

In 2010/11, TD went from 20/10 in the playoffs to 12/10, averaging 3(!) turnovers a game against Memphis. It was the season everyone was questioning if he had anything left in the tank.

Obviously, Tim is the franchise and you stand by the franchise. It's also clear we can survive a mediocre Gino, but not a mediocre Tim. But it's a reminder that matchup matters, and that a bad game/series/playoffs run doesn't automatically mean a player has nothing left.

There's no doubt that Tim's bounce after that season was near miraculous, and it's quite possible Gino might not be able to turn it around like that if he decides to comes back. But the Spurs understand these things happen, and I'm sure they'll take another look at him (again, if the decides to come back).

[Skull-1]

The OP is probably from Argentina too.

Hahahahahahahahaaaaa!

[Skull-1]

Yeah see, nobody denies Manu from 5 years ago was good, or even Manu from 2 years ago.

The issue is that he's much worse now. You have to be blind, dumb, or trolling to think Manu wasn't the most disappointing Spur in the Finals. There were other disappointing Spurs like Splitter, but Pop benched him so his ty play didn't at least shoot us in the foot. He left Manu out there to repeatedly the bed. . .which is even worse.

One game does not make up for 4 poor games, one VERY TY game, and yet another chokejob at the end of game 7 after an average game.

If Manu left, I really, honestly, would not give a . I don't want him back for anything near what he was getting paid. 7m/year tops, and that's still probably a little more than he's worth considering he will probably be missing a lot of games per par.

Need to start a Church of TheGreatYacht and Kidd K




You guys are right on.

[therealtruth]

What I didn't realize...looking at those stats, is how far his steals have gone down. He use to make up for his turnovers, with steals(and scores)..now, not so much...double whammy. I don't blame Manu for game 7...but it's hard not to put him atop the blame list for game 6.

I agree Manu used to make up his mistakes by making a good play on defense (get a steal, force a turnover/miss). Those plays are far and few now. That's why I was expecting him to hit his free throws when he went to the line late in game 6. When he missed I thought it was pretty much clear he's not the same Manu. The Manu even from a few years back wouldn't have missed at the line in that situation.

[Sean Cagney]

Lol everytime I read a pro manu post 90% of the time it has manu from 5 yrs ago in the avatar ...... <-- manu defenders at his present age n ability

Manu Defenders at times get this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxYvzVxJtYM

[james evans]

Without Manu we wouldn't have even gotten to the finals. Moron.

hahaha, what? he had 1 good game the whole playoffs. what the fuk are YOU talking about.

[DAF86]

I don't understand the guys that about his play in game 7, he was one of only 4 guys not to completely the bed. Yeah, game 6 he was bad but there are a lot of others that are as (if not more) responsable than him for not winning this 'ship.

[SanDiegoSpursFan]

I'm still mad at him for game 6, but I would definitely be sad if he left.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

hahaha, what? he had 1 good game the whole playoffs. what the fuk are YOU talking about.

lol udumb

[poeticism707]

Dont you mean sink someone else's ship for a change? Love Gino's career with the Spurs, but tell that boy to get gone, and take Pop with him.

[DapDaGenius]

Nope. Can't wait to see him left.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

He runs the system morons.

We made the finals because we're a great team. No other team has this many assists, when the assisted baskets go down the Spurs lose. Manu is still (increasingly even) a chief system administrator creating team baskets over iso-ball (that also if you just use your brain a little bit means living with risk of more turnovers). The last two years this Spurs team would not be a serious contender without.

[Capt Bringdown]

It seems that you've never been a fan of a team before, or have never seen your favorite player grow old.
All players grow old and ineffective. Manu has reached that point, the jury is in, there is no ambiguity, no equivocating. This year proved that he is not capable, for mental and physical reasons, to adapt his game to changing cir stances and conditions. In fact, that has always been his trademark: he always plays one way. Well, now that one way sucks and he's stuck on bad. This year we saw what he had left, we gambled on his abilities, and it cost us a ring.
He is no longer needed. To keep him is a liability. No more. No thanks.

To say that does not mean we do not appreciative his prior contributions, not at all. But it's time to move on.

I'm a Spurs fan first. Love the individual players, but for each there will be a time to go. That time is now for Manu.

[Kidd K]

There's a huge difference though. Splitter didn't really fit in these series, because Miami played mostly small. With Manu, there was no plan B. Neal showed up in only one game in these series, and there's no way, no how he can handle the rock.

And frankly, this isn't the first time that one of the big 3 has a visible drop in production and a bad series. I understand Spursfan was badly bitten because it's the Finals, but they have short memory too.

In 2010/11, TD went from 20/10 in the playoffs to 12/10, averaging 3(!) turnovers a game against Memphis. It was the season everyone was questioning if he had anything left in the tank.

Obviously, Tim is the franchise and you stand by the franchise. It's also clear we can survive a mediocre Gino, but not a mediocre Tim. But it's a reminder that matchup matters, and that a bad game/series/playoffs run doesn't automatically mean a player has nothing left.

There's no doubt that Tim's bounce after that season was near miraculous, and it's quite possible Gino might not be able to turn it around like that if he decides to comes back. But the Spurs understand these things happen, and I'm sure they'll take another look at him (again, if the decides to come back).

I know there was no Plan B. . .I mentioned that in other threads. That's what made it even worse. Pop continued to use Manu despite how bad he was playing, only magnifying how much it impacted the team negatively than anybody else who played.

I haven't looked this up yet (and it wouldn't be too hard to do I guess so I might soon), but I would not be the least bit surprised if Manu had the worst total +/- of the series for the Spurs by a large margin. Even with his game 5 really stopping it from dropping into oblivion.

Specifically because there's no "Plan B", he had to be good. Splitter wasn't that neccessary in that series, so if he shat the bed it didn't matter. No one expected him to be a big piece. Manu on the other hand, we needed, and he didn't come through. 1 good game, 1 average game with a ty finish, 4 very bad games, and 1 all time bad, horrendous game. That's why he was the worst Spur, and why he deserves the most blame. His huge salary btw (biggest on team), is one of the biggest reasons why we didn't have a Plan B for him. So in a way, you could say that's also his fault.

[TheGreatYacht]

It seems that you've never been a fan of a team before, or have never seen your favorite player grow old.
All players grow old and ineffective. Manu has reached that point, the jury is in, there is no ambiguity, no equivocating. This year proved that he is not capable, for mental and physical reasons, to adapt his game to changing cir stances and conditions. In fact, that has always been his trademark: he always plays one way. Well, now that one way sucks and he's stuck on bad. This year we saw what he had left, we gambled on his abilities, and it cost us a ring.
He is no longer needed. To keep him is a liability. No more. No thanks.

To say that does not mean we do not appreciative his prior contributions, not at all. But it's time to move on.

I'm a Spurs fan first. Love the individual players, but for each there will be a time to go. That time is now for Manu.

BRAVO.

[TheGreatYacht]

I know there was no Plan B. . .I mentioned that in other threads. That's what made it even worse. Pop continued to use Manu despite how bad he was playing, only magnifying how much it impacted the team negatively than anybody else who played.

I haven't looked this up yet (and it wouldn't be too hard to do I guess so I might soon), but I would not be the least bit surprised if Manu had the worst total +/- of the series for the Spurs by a large margin. Even with his game 5 really stopping it from dropping into oblivion.

Specifically because there's no "Plan B", he had to be good. Splitter wasn't that neccessary in that series, so if he shat the bed it didn't matter. No one expected him to be a big piece. Manu on the other hand, we needed, and he didn't come through. 1 good game, 1 average game with a ty finish, 4 very bad games, and 1 all time bad, horrendous game. That's why he was the worst Spur, and why he deserves the most blame. His huge salary btw (biggest on team), is one of the biggest reasons why we didn't have a Plan B for him. So in a way, you could say that's also his fault.