Spurs Sign Manu Ginobili to 2 year/$14 Million Deal

[ElNono]

I get your point but still, with or without those 4 millions, Manu is already mega rich and he won't spend his money ala Iverson. Well, I just thought that being such a winner, he would do all it takes to help his Spurs get one last ring (esp. after these 13' PO)

I would've loved it if he would've taken the room exception too... all I'm saying is that looking at what players are getting paid, this number shouldn't be a shocker...

[AFBlue]

You don't think Tiago and Manu get offered identical contracts in the open market?

I think Tiago easily gets that from POR. Not so sure about Manu but wouldn't be surprised if he did considering the money other 2 guards are getting. People like to throw out Ray Allen's deal as a comparison but Ray is a one trick pony that isn't asked to carry and offense for any period of time tbh.

Ray Allen used that one trick to bury the Spurs in Game 6 after Ginobili couldn't ice it. And now Ginobili is making TWICE what Ray Allen is making, based on clearly something other than his on-court contribution.

Disgusting.

[manufan10]

I think I'll give the Spurs' FO the benefit of the doubt over any armchair GM, imo tbh.

[Creation88]

Manu sucked ALL YEAR not just in the Finals.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

Well said, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Most people on RealGM don't think Ginobili is getting 7M on the open market

[Nathan89]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

To be fair they would've came to the same conclusion if they watched every Spurs playoff game. Not so with Harden.

[RD2191]

Manu sucked ALL YEAR not just in the Finals.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. in re ed.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

[DPG21920]

Well, unfortunately Manus deal was what I thought. He did not give the Spurs any discount at all. He got his full market value. I'm happy he's back but combined with how bad he let his team down in the finals I am still incredibly disappointed in Manu Ginobili.

Free agency, from an impact player perspective is likely dead. Not only because of the players available at MLE level, but because MLE has never been good enough for the Spurs. They needed that 7M number to lure someone.

Glad he's back, but damn Manu right now for this past couple months.

[ElNono]

Doc Rivers is another guy that always been a huge fan... if Manu would've been truly available, you bet they move around to get him at that money... they just did the same thing to nail JJ Red , another fetish of him...

[Creation88]

Tbh, that's the exact same question you asked when you said TD wasn't worth more than $8 million. Like I said then, it's not a valid question because the cap space that has already been used wouldn't have been used if someone of his talent level was actually available.

If Ginobili were truly available, he'd be more coveted than the Kevin Martins, JJ Re s, Kyle Korvers and others who have gotten paid. And if he were truly available, contenders would be coming out of the woodwork for sign-and-trade deals. You don't think contenders like the Thunder, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, etc. wouldn't go after Ginobili if all they needed to guarantee was $14M?

he was TRULY available. he was an unrestricted free agent. Spurs were bidding against themselves.

[slick'81]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

Anyone with basketball sense knew that trade was garbage

[Mugen]

You're absolutely right about Tiago. Spurs signed him for market value.

As to Manu, the danger was never really that some team would outbid the Spurs for Manu. The danger was that the Spurs would lowball him and piss him off to the extent that he would sign with a rival for well below market value. In the end, both sides acted predictably.

If it got to that point, I think the bidding would start at 5mil/year. I don't think Manu would settle for the Mini MLE just because he got pissed off at the Spurs. If he got offended by a lowball offer for them, I think he'd be more likely to just retire than play for the mini MLE for Houston or Dallas tbh.

[timvp]

I'm guessing the Spurs didn't make much of a case to pay him less, considering that Manu had agreed to become a bench player when he wasn't. Now he's getting rewarded for it.

Meh. If Pop once offered David Robinson a one-year, $1 million contract, I'm sure the Spurs started from the bottom.

Now they're here ... at $7M.

[DPG21920]

yes I was...

and IIRC, I was telling Bruno a LONG ass way ago that Manu could be had for $3m-$5m, and he told me that was too low... I think the playoffs completely changed the perception of things...

As it should. Playoffs cost Tiago money too. Manu with his age, injuries and horrific finals should not have had to receive market value even if its "fair"

[ElNono]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. in re ed.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

I don't think the Spurs are done dealing, and I would agree that's a need they're going to need to fill, especially if Neal is not coming back.

[Juan]

He's no Tim Duncan.


Manu screwing over the Spurs by going for the money. Pretty surprising. Thought he was more about winning.

[spursince#99]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. in re ed.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

/thread. Only if we don't sign another capable ball handler though.

[Man In Black]

The Spurs desperately need another creater/ball handler to take the pressure off Tony.

if they role into next year with the same guard rotation. in re ed.

Spurs putting all their eggs in 1 basket again with Ginobili. Just don't understand.

So Shaun Livingston is a UFA and so far, only the Nets have talked to him. Cleveland wants him back but I think this guys should be the backup PG. When CoJo is in, Pop shifts playmaking to Manu. With a player like Livingston, Pop doesn't need to do that at all or, just have Manu handle it less.

[ElNono]

As it should. Playoffs cost Tiago money too. Manu with his age, injuries and horrific finals should not have had to receive market value even if its "fair"

I understand the sentiment. I don't think the Spurs necessarily view it like that, and these deals seem to reflect that.

[Leetonidas]

Most NBA fans only watched Manu in the Finals.

'Tis the same reason why so many thought the Harden trade was good for OKC when it went down

If you base your perception of how much a player is worth off of seven games, it's unlikely you will be in touch with reality, tbh.

This is true, but I really, really don't think Manu is going to get rewarded with 7 million by anyone after his post season play. I always said I wanted Manu back, he has always been my 2nd favorite Spurs player, but I really thought he would've taken a below market value contract the way Tim/Tony did to add pieces.

[spursince#99]

So Shaun Livingston is a UFA and so far, only the Nets have talked to him. Cleveland wants him back but I think this guys should be the backup PG. When CoJo is in, Pop shifts playmaking to Manu. With a player like Livingston, Pop doesn't need to do that at all or, just have Manu handle it less.

Dude stop.

[Bruno]

Tbh, that's the exact same question you asked when you said TD wasn't worth more than $8 million. Like I said then, it's not a valid question because the cap space that has already been used wouldn't have been used if someone of his talent level was actually available.

If Ginobili were truly available, he'd be more coveted than the Kevin Martins, JJ Re s, Kyle Korvers and others who have gotten paid. And if he were truly available, contenders would be coming out of the woodwork for sign-and-trade deals. You don't think contenders like the Thunder, Clippers, Nets, Knicks, etc. wouldn't go after Ginobili if all they needed to guarantee was $14M?

A lot of the contenders are in difficult cap situation where they only have the mini MLE or are very close the tax and don't want to go over.

And seriously, I'm not sure why you are arguing while you said an hour ago that $8M per year would means that Manu was "greedy".

$7M per year is a lot for Manu given all his injuries, his age and his inconsistency. You find that it's just under the overpaid threshold, I find it's just over.

[Leetonidas]

Well, unfortunately Manus deal was what I thought. He did not give the Spurs any discount at all. He got his full market value. I'm happy he's back but combined with how bad he let his team down in the finals I am still incredibly disappointed in Manu Ginobili.

Free agency, from an impact player perspective is likely dead. Not only because of the players available at MLE level, but because MLE has never been good enough for the Spurs. They needed that 7M number to lure someone.

Glad he's back, but damn Manu right now for this past couple months.

spot on