Spurs Sign Manu Ginobili to 2 year/$14 Million Deal

[Chinook]

This kind of visionary?

The sad thing is, he wasn't even close to the only one with that view. So many people leading up the All-Star Break thought Jack could/should start over Green.

[DPG21920]

lol meltdowns

Thank you FO and Manu for two more years...

I wish the people typing statements like this would clarify. There is a difference in melting down and just assessing the reality of what happened. , I knew it was going to happen from a realistic perspective (I said on the dot what I think Manu would get), but that doesn't change the evaluation of the ramifications of the deal.

[TheGreatYacht]

Great job, Spurs. That's almost a million bucks per turnover in Game 6. And that's at least 6M more than I thought it would be. I was hoping for 4M a year, a 2/8M deal. The guy plays 20 minutes a game, and misses at least a third of the season. If we had won the le this year, I could see this making sense - as a reward. But this? Tim makes what, 10M a year? And Manu makes 7M? On what planet does that make sense?

Nobody else in the NBA would be stupid enough to pay Manu 7 million a year. The Manu fanboi in this forum are like crack addicts with their absurd Manu love.

Love Manu but no way is he worth 7 mill with his injury history. But this signing is not about wining it is about selling tickets bottom line $$$

I love Manu and kinda like Tiago but those contracts they agreed upon are, I have to say, a bit much considering they didn't play well during the Finals

This. Manu is 36 years old and a much bigger liability than an asset at this point. I shudder to think how ing terrible he is going to be at age 38.

I'm thinking no team offered $7M and that Ginobili threatened to retire if the Spurs didn't offer him at least that much.

Manu speaks Spanish, and that's worth 7 mil a year to the Spurs.

There's no basketball reason to pay a scrub that much money. And that's what Manu is at this point, a scrub.

What a bad off season. It had to happen sometime. Our front office clearly doesnt know when to let go. All we can do as Spurs fans is wait til after 2014-2015 when all the money comes off the books.

Manu gift for being a good guy was the 14 mill it was not based on his production. We paid him that for him working with us all the time so we should have paid him what he is worth on this new contract which probablly be around 5 mill....no way in 7 mill

LMAO at Manu worshippers finding ways to justify that selfish greedy SOB of Manu.

This speaks volumes about the at ude going forward. The team has elected to play the nastalgia card and will be somewhat compe ive, but signing Manu to so much money is a sign of the end. It is a reward as the Spurs start a two year farewell tour.

I think most of us had hoped that they would find a way to transition to the next compe ve team, but it is obvious that within three years we will be a lottery team. The biggest question mark for this year will be, can the Spurs continue to win 50 games? I think they will win about 45 and be a 7th seed. The following year we will be fighting for to break even.

We have no way to improve, while the big three weather away.

Great post. And 5- 10 years down the line when the seats in the arena start to get emptier and emptier...you will start to hear rumblings about the Spurs relocating like they almost did before Robinson arrived. Thanks to not rebuilding but hanging onto the past.

I will feel sorry for all the Popsuckers and Man fan boys.

It has already begun.

Manu's greed or the front office mentality has stuffed the Spurs into the limbo box of 5-8 seed for the next two years followed by several years of the lottery.

A big, fat Thank you contract for Manu = A big YOU to the fans

Swallow that Spurs homers. Wake up. Stop living in the past. Come to reality.

[dbestpro]

This kind of visionary?

..........there is no victory in being second.

Green disappeared when he was needed most. Jack could have been the one guy to put us over the top. We really will never know. We do know that what we did do did not work, either.

[DAF86]

Agreed. No one is really arguing too much against that. What people are upset about is that Manu is the only member of the big 3 with a market value contract when the situation likely called for him to take a little less (like TP and TD did).

I would have also liked to see Manu resigning for less but I can't get upset over him getting a market value contract, much less when he's getting a paycut of around half his previous salary. No matter how rich you are, when you start winning half what you were making it makes a difference in your life.

[dallasmaverickslose]

LMAO at Manu worshippers finding ways to justify that selfish greedy SOB of Manu.
I will feel sorry for all the Popsuckers and Man fan boys.

Swallow that Spurs homers. Wake up. Stop living in the past. Come to reality.

Swallow what a bunch of cliff divers are posting? Nah, we're good bro.

[spurraider21]

No. If Manu took less than 7M, they have more than the MLE quite easily if they wanted to.

you can't combine cap space with the MLE to sign a player.

[DAF86]

Agreed. No one is really arguing too much against that. What people are upset about is that Manu is the only member of the big 3 with a market value contract when the situation likely called for him to take a little less (like TP and TD did).

I would have also liked to see Manu resigning for less but I can't get upset over him getting a market value contract, much less when he's getting a paycut of around half his previous salary. No matter how rich you are, when suddenly you start making half what you were making it makes a big difference in your life.

[DPG21920]

I would have also liked to see Manu resigning for less but I can't get upset over him getting a market value contract, much less when he's getting a paycut of around half his previous salary. No matter how rich you are, when you start winning half what you were making it makes a difference in your life.

Again, his previous salary is of no concern with regards to this contract.

[ElNono]

I wish the people typing statements like this would clarify. There is a difference in melting down and just assessing the reality of what happened. , I knew it was going to happen from a realistic perspective (I said on the dot what I think Manu would get), but that doesn't change the evaluation of the ramifications of the deal.

I don't see you going " this, that, homer this, homer that, etc", tbh... that's a meltdown...

[DPG21920]

you can't combine cap space with the MLE to sign a player.

I know. Spurs wouldn't use the MLE if Manu signed for less. They would use the cap space that was worth more than the MLE.

[Borosai]

Manu didn't earn this contract last season, but maybe he will live up to it next season. I hope he wakes up.

[DAF86]

Again, his previous salary is of no concern with regards to this contract.

For him and his family yes, yes it is. It's easier to take less than market value when you're going up (or less but not much) than when suddenly you have to start making half of what you were making.

[ElNono]

I know. Spurs wouldn't use the MLE if Manu signed for less. They would use the cap space that was worth more than the MLE.

You're assuming they would amnesty Bonner... that's far from a sure thing...

[Mel_13]

I know. Spurs wouldn't use the MLE if Manu signed for less. They would use the cap space that was worth more than the MLE.

And I wish people would stop saying this. If Manu signed for 5M, the Spurs would not have had cap space greater than the MLE.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

He shouldn't have missed that shot then. I'm sure he's the first person to admit that. Almost everyone on the team could have been just a little better, and that includes him. Admitting that and embracing it is what being a team is all about.

Anywho, if the Spurs are really in a position to get Kirilenko, they can probably find a way to adjust Ginobili's contract to make it happen. Even if that means adding a partially guaranteed third season.

Amen to that - the TEAM as a whole lost. Not just Manu and the multiple bad games/turnovers or
Kawhi and the missed FT to put the team ahead by 4 instead of 3 or
TP who played fairly poorly down the stretch in both game 6 and 7 when he made multiple bad decisions or
Timmy who missed an easy game tying layup twice at the end of game 7 or
Splitter who looked completely overmatched or
Pop who should've fouled at the end of game 6 instead of letting the Heat take not 1 but 2 shots at a 3 pointer or
for Pop even having Manu in the game at all toward the end of game 7
or . . .

[spurraider21]

I know. Spurs wouldn't use the MLE if Manu signed for less. They would use the cap space that was worth more than the MLE.

You're assuming they would amnesty Bonner... that's far from a sure thing...

this. essentially ever cap scenario Chinook and Bruno were cooking up to land a free agent stemmed from amnestying Bonner, or even pulling a sign and trade where we'd be able to dump de colo/mills to save some extra coin. i'm going to presume they've negotiated with kirilenko's camp, or whoever their target is (most of this is speculation), and couldn't find a way to hammer home a deal or have agreed to use the MLE.

[TheGoldStandard]

I've been following this closely and at first I was going to go all stubborn this is bull take but no, I took a step back and I'm okay with this bad deal. For his role on the team, for the minutes and obviously the diminished minutes he will have this is a gross overpayment and it's not market value, didn't see any other 35+ year olds in free agency get paid 7Million but it's a Spurs move, stick with what you know.

As a Spur fan from the early 90's I realize the incredible run that we've had since 99, the fact that we don't have losing seasons, that we have been to conference finals and Finals, we have All Star players on our team and MVPs and Finals MVPs, it's a whirlwind to think how much they've accomplish in the last 15 years. We haven't seen a down year in San Antonio aside from 97 which allowed up to get Tim Duncan who saved this franchise. We've always been compe ive and had a chance but this has been with 2 great big men. Robinson could never do it alone but when Tim got here sky was the limit. Now we're embarking into unfamiliar territory the likes of which Pop & RC Buford have not really had to deal with so how would they know what to do in this situation or see the writing on the wall..

We'll stay status quo and keep our unit until the wheels fall off and who knows then. Hopefully they can all take a dip into the fountain of youth for one more season or two and we don't see massive drop-offs like most people who reach that 35+ age in basketball. Hopefully the team has made a big enough impression on Kawhi and he see's a future here that he decides to take an extension with us and not explore free agency to get as much money as he can or that we can entice others to come here once Tim and Manu ride off into the sunset.

Here's to 2 more years.

[Poolboy5623]

I wondered how many pages we'd be up to, by now...14 in 4 hours? Come on guys.

[vander]

you do this every offseason vander... heck, every year.

and...

[TheGoldStandard]

I will say this though, Manu definitely needs to work on his FT% for this season, it was pretty awful compared to previous seasons and might be pivotal. As far as him tweaking his game, I don't see any tweaks that would be successful, he's been shooting that 3 ball for sometime and his percentages are not really that much off from his normal % numbers.

[ElNono]

and...

And we've done better and better the past two seasons... which confirms what everyone knows: you and your pal rascal suck...

[DPG21920]

I don't see you going " this, that, homer this, homer that, etc", tbh... that's a meltdown...

I see.

[DPG21920]

For him and his family yes, yes it is. It's easier to take less than market value when you're going up (or less but not much) than when suddenly you have to start making half of what you were making.

smh

[objective]

re: Manu's salary, I could envision a scenario where a team that needs to spend to get to the floor could offer Manu around what the Spurs ended up paying him had the Spurs hardballed him to take less.

That being said, I have the uncomfortable feeling that Manu will fall apart like Brent Barry did after leaving the Spurs, except Manu will fall apart here.